L.L. Men - Two Texts for Defining the Communist Programme

Thanks for uploading this. Was critically reviewed by the CBG in this issue here:
https://libcom.org/library/communist-bulletin-issue-12-summer-1987

Many many thanks to schalken for uploading this book. Myself, I had it soon after publication and then lost it. Without having gone through all of it again, I might say that the author's demolition of the notion of any 'communist' content to early Bolshevik ' War "Communism" ' merits reading and comment. That's mainly on pages 178- 203.

Some quotes from this section (pardon for not using the quote function):

'The CWO seems to endow the abolition of the *phenomenal* form of money with a significance it does not have (cf. its muddleheaded thesis that money was 'abolished' in the state sector during War Communism). '

'We have already proven that the law of value was never touched during War Communism. At the same time, as the soviet government immediately began to rapidly destroy the Paris Commune principle as soon as it was formed (see the relevent section later), the nationalization movement which began in mid-1918 did not alter, in terms of real social relations and not legal categories, the separation of the producers from the means of production. '

'We do not need Marxist revolutionaries to peddle the ideology that War Communism was "proto-communist" while the NEP "restored capitalism". Bourgeois ideologues such as Carr are competent enough to propagate such ideologies'

'From this angle, though the NEP differed a great deal in details from the War Communist programme, both programmes were capitalist from A to Z. '

' As pointed out earlier, the payment of wage in kind did not change the nature of wage as variable capital. '

Dyjbas:

I don't recall that the CWO ever reviewed this book, which would be strange, Can you check and see?

It's quite a bit before my time, but I'll check if we have. I know that this doesn't correspond to our views nowadays (if it ever did):

See for example our pamphlet on Stalinism from the early 2000s:

So there is correspondence between us and L.L. Men in both Workers' Voice and Communist Review (our old publications, which unfortunately are not online - but plan is to have them up at some point). Some of it probably responds to the points made in these texts, and more (since it goes up to at least 1992).

Schalken:

If you would check your 'account' page, I have PM'd you.

Dyjbas:

In no particular relation to the LLM book, I wonder if you could upload 'Theories of State Capitalism' from Revolutionary Perspectives 19, which seems to be neither on libcom nor on leftcom.org . I see it referred to in quite a few CWO articles. It would be useful to see the CWO's presentation of its own position, and refutation of those it considers erroneous.

'Theories of State Capitalism' actually comes from RP1, so is even older (but was reprinted in RP19). We'll try to dig it up.

ZJW, sorry about the delay, but I have not forgotten about your request. If you send me a direct message with your email address, I'll send the document to you.

Just looked again at my copy of this pamphlet and see that LLM advocates "the employment of labour time as the basis of and measure for production calculation and distribution." So he's one of them.

What I had forgotten was that a letter from me figures in it (p. 99) which leads him to write in a footnote:

"The SPGB is a 'Marxist' group which believes that the socialist revolution will occur when one fine day the majority of the workers (who it defines to be anyone, be him an accountant or a bank manager or a government minister or a secretary or a factory worker, who receives a wage - further, there are, according to the SPGB, only two classes in capitalist society: those who earn a wage and those who do not), having first under­stood intellectually, and thus demand, socialism will simply take over the existing state machinery and re-organize society on socialist lines. There is no space here, nor is there any need, to criticize these feeble-minded idealists."

and, in the main text:

"... many people claim that the Russian workers were not struggling for socialism at all, but only for the 'mundane' demands for bread and peace... These people do not, of course, deny that there was an extremely high level of working class activity in 1917, but deny that it constituted a socialist struggle. Reason? Simply because the majority of the workers did not demand the communist programme. For them, for the class consciousness of the vast majority of the working class to qualify as communist conscious­ness, it must reach the level of knowledge in Marxist theory... What these people fail to realize is that, at least for the period prior to the revolution and that of the initial phases of the transitional period ..., for the vast majority of the working class, their conception of socialism will never be couched in the terms of the communist programme."

Nothing new there, then, just the usual caricature of the SPGB position (except on the two-class theory). And since he thought that the what happened in Russia in 1917 was a "socialist revolution" his analysis of what happened after starts off on the wrong foot. And of course he is echoing Lenin's view that under capitalism the working class cannot develop beyond a trade union consciousness (only a select minority like him can).

I must see if I have still got the correspondence with him.