Nihilism??

But that at least makes Proudhon a step right? A step that is better expressed through Bakunin or Kropotkin but a step none the less?

I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THAT IS

I CAN'T JUST LEAVE MY LEASE AND DEBT. I WILL BE ARRESTED, AND I CAN'T JUST GO TO THE WOODS. I WILL DIE. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SURVIVE OUT THERE. JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO GO DOESN'T MEAN I KNOW HOW TO CLEAN ANIMALS, WHAT PLANTS TO GATHER, AND HOW TO STAY WARM DURING THE WINTERS. IT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE A DOZEN OR SO PEOPLE WHO WILL LET ME TRAVEL WITH THEM, AND WHY WOULD THEY IF THEY'D HAVE TO CONSTANTLY TEACH ME THE BASICS? STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE

ken

by that definition almost everything is a step

i just don't see why anarchists rate him along side marx and bakunin tho, when in reality proudhon has more to do with conspiracy theorists and 18th century 'radicals' rather than the industrial socialists who appeared in the mid 19th century.

I CAN'T JUST LEAVE MY LEASE AND DEBT. I WILL BE ARRESTED, AND I CAN'T JUST GO TO THE WOODS. I WILL DIE.

You can, because the police will view you as a missing person and you can avoid detection in the woods. There are forests and moors in the UK easily big enough to live in, and its not a manhunt so i imagine you could hide out easily with a few friends, seeing as you wil, have no visible settelment.

And yep, of course you will die. Thats the funny part, your new life would last about a few months at the most before you died of disease, malnutrition and hyperthermia. I think thats Fucking hilarious.

Go on, what are you waiting for, i've heard the lake district is really nice this time of year, bit chilly tho.

john

fat chance. you're still being an unrealistic asshole.

there are forests and mountains, here, too. in case you didn't notice, i'm in the northern state named for some colonialist governor named Charles.

maybe

i see what you mean, but i'd rather not take that chance.

why is an ignoramus posing as an anarchist? You can't spell either.

ken

i don't believe you.

Considering you think I "beleive" six billion people can survive in the wilderness, "its" a bit steep for you to deny you're an ignoramus. Seriously, all name calling aside, I'm aware that six billion people can't survive without industrial agriculture. I thought I had made that clear, but sometimes, people miss things.

prove to me, without a shadow of a doubt, that i won't get in trouble for abandoning everything. i'd also need training to learn how to survive out there, so provide my chosen training, too, probably for a few years at least.

On october the 20th 2004, in order to prove how wild he was to a bunch of people he met on an internet forum, ken left his house and life behind.

How could I be officially wild in four days? Why is an ignoramus posing as an anarchist? Why would I bother proving anything to you, john? You don't mean shit to me if you haven't noticed!

Why is a moron posing as an anarchist?

Are you aware, lots of people survive without civilization, everyday, and did it for millions of years before we probably got addicted to exorphin? We've only been civilized for 12,000 years. Which do you think is more in our nature?

John

John, you're intelligent (just kidding), and you still can't spell worth a shit.

Kenny

you really are a sad worthless piece of shit aren't you, and no i'm not debating with you, i don't consider your views worth the time. I'm hoping the 50 odd UK primmos and assorted crusty hangers on actually try living naked in the woods and die in the process, because that would mean that we wouldn't have to put up with you cunts pretending you were anarchists.

i don't really care if i can't spell, but you probably don't even fucking beleive in writing, so who the fuck are you to tell me i can't spell you fucking nutter

no sane person cares about your ideas, you are nothing but a smelly hippy who can't even tell when people are just taking the piss out of him or when they're debating his politics seriously, because your politics are such utter laughable shite.

now go away, if i was a mod i'd ban you and have done with it, because primitivists are advocates of a reactionary ideology, who don't have anything to do with anarchism.

no, why do you say such a lie?

because you can't

then, i wished you hadn't even wasted your time, typing

okay, asshole

at least we wouldn't have to put up with you meanies, pretending we aren't just because we want to get live without industry and farming! how can you say a stateless society isn't anarchy?! you're fucking liars. don't even come with that patriarchy shit either unless you have some proof.

great point (that's sarcasm.) you still misspelled "believe".

whatever, psycho

that's all that matters, isn't it, sheep?

you don't have a clue about what i am.

I smell great. You don't know me. Nothing's wrong with hippies. They pwned!

i can tell you're trolling.

in your opinion, that doesn't entitle you to troll unless you were on some other board. you're supposed to play fair on anarchist forums!

NO!

MAYBE THAT'S WHY YOU AREN'T, "ANARCHIST".

what the fuck is that?!

again, how can you lie like that? back it up, liar

Is username really for real?

I have just wasted a massive amount of time sifting through post after post of stunningly retarded brainless banter.

Actually, come to think of it, whats really frightening is that while he's not overly stupid, he is seriously deluded and confused. Normally I would put this down to drugs or being dropped alot as a child. in this case I think the problem is much much deeper.

I don't think he should be banned... just give him his own little forum to have inane moronic arguements with himself on.

That or trade him with HLS for a few animals, I bet you could convince them that hes an escaped chimp anyway.

actually, ban the fucker, he has successfully destroyed several threads I would have liked to have read were they serious.

Plus he gives me as an american a bad name, I already have to deal with the rest of the fuckin country giving me a bad name, but this fuckwit thinks he's an "anarchist"... This is why I left the fuckin place.

because you can't

then, i wished you hadn't even wasted your time, typing

okay, asshole

at least we wouldn't have to put up with you meanies, pretending we aren't just because we want to get live without industry and farming! how can you say a stateless society isn't anarchy?! you're fucking liars. don't even come with that patriarchy shit either unless you have some proof.

great point (that's sarcasm.) you still misspelled "believe".

whatever, psycho

that's all that matters, isn't it, sheep?

you don't have a clue about what i am.

I smell great. You don't know me. Nothing's wrong with hippies. They pwned!

i can tell you're trolling.

in your opinion, that doesn't entitle you to troll unless you were on some other board. you're supposed to play fair on anarchist forums!

NO!

MAYBE THAT'S WHY YOU AREN'T, "ANARCHIST".

what the fuck is that?!

again, how can you lie like that? back it up, liar

You are offcially a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic.

YOU AREN'T FECES

and it's spelled sammiches, not sandwiches, douche

What???

i feel the need to reiterate my request for someone to invent a 'nutter alert'

emoticon!

hmm, i feel the need for someone to invent sarcasm lens

Don't try to wriggle out:

"any replacement will be just as bad"

Whatever happens capitalism would be replaced by something

the only thing i'd replace it with is a tribal order of less than two dozen people. i've never really heard of a federation of tribes, so i don't think anybody would be for that. tribes do travel though and stop at other people's property since people are sedentary, today.

Username is a wanker and next time I'm stateside I'm gonna find him and correct him for the whole of the Anarchst movement.

Fuck whether or not we belive in violence I am chopping his Primmo ass up into little bits and feeding it to venus fly-traps...

wanker...

LOAD OF BOLLOCKS. THIS IS ALL POINTLESS. Does this make me a nihilist?

But won't that be "just as bad"? You did say "any replacement". Make your bloody mind up

it's too informal to be just as bad. nobody will have any real power. i'm not a complete nihilist. i'm a primitivist.

i think this is a question many of us have been asking ever since username arrived on these boards.

and there is no way that the state would waste resources on a manhunt for someone who just didn't pay their debts. they'd only bother if you killed a bunch of people. if people like rod coronado (or whatever his name is) can last for months on the run after blowing up loads of fur farm equipment and stuff with the fbi after him, then i think some idiot who just stopped paying his mortgage and phone bill should have no difficulty in avoiding the cops indeffinitely. unless of course your debts are to the local mafia, in which case it will be even funnier if you try not paying...

also, for primitivist you know fuck all about primitive people don't you? the tribes of west papua, who are currently fighting the indonesian army to drive back attempts to impose western civilisation on them (for decent, practical reasons rather than the nonsense you come out with) have said that they don't want their own state (which would be pretty hard on a small island with something like a quarter of the world's languages), but the free federation of the tribes. and i believe some native american tribes were federated.

i knew i'd get that, but really, y'all are being rude.

this is just speculation, and i think you're just shooting from the hip; but i'm sure everyone appreciates being called an idiot. keep those manners of yours.

HAHAHA, YEAH! I SEE YOUR POINT, NOW! THAT'S FUNNY TO ME!

i don't know? do i? did i get something wrong?

oh, so i'm speaking nonsense. okay.

oh, well, is that all? okay, but that doesn't mean i "know fuck all about primitive people". be kinder with your words, asshole. there's no reason for that kind of tone, around here. if i don't know something, then i don't know something. you don't have to get verbally abusive to run me off. again, what kind of anarchist does such a thing anyway? all of you continue to condone the irony. lovely bunch of chaps y'all are. maybe everything will work itself out. PEACE

How can you not be a "compete nihilist"? Either you're a nihilist or you're not a nihilist?

I just quoted this bit because I could, tbh

that's right.

oh, what's "tbh"? do you think it's an oxymoron? i guess y'all will never let me be one of y'all.

tbh=to be honest

And chill out Username, when I start getting viscious, you'll know

RESPECT EACH OTHERS OPINIONS!!!

Long, long ago, back in the days before the flame war started on this thread, someone asked where s/he could find Gramsci's pro-Mussolini newspaper editorial.....

It's in Volume 1 of the "Selected Political Writings," published by Lawrence & Wishart. Can't remember the name of the piece, but that's the price you pay for having your books at home & your internet access at work.

In the same volume, there's a piece where he comes very close to an anarcho-syndicalist take on trade unions, too.

I would consider myself a philosophical nihilist, rather than a political one. You don't necessarily have to subscribe to every aspect of nihilism to consider yourself a nihilist...or do you?

I'd say that philosophical and political nihilism are two distinct things, from what I've read.