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Apr 21 2006 08:13

I attempted a rejoinder w/ last edit.

have know idea what entropy really means. embarrassed

WillsWilde
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Apr 21 2006 08:18

I respect RedTwister's attempt at a deconstruction of class-identity. Very brave here.

And necessary.

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Apr 21 2006 08:20
WillsWilde wrote:
I have know idea what entropy really means. embarrassed

my layman's understanding is the tendency of energy to move from areas of high energy to areas of low energy, ie. you can shine a light but you can't 'shine a dark'. I've not done physics since school though so this could be bollocks grin

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Apr 21 2006 08:22
WillsWilde wrote:
I respect RedTwister's attempt at a deconstruction of class-identity. Very brave here.

And necessary.

yeah i think Jef's right this is a whole topic in itself ...

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Apr 21 2006 08:30

a pandora's box that I will not be the one to open. black bloc

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Apr 21 2006 08:35

Hmmm... 'straight acting' or 'campy'...

I see nowt wrong with either. It's to do with what people feel most at ease with in themselves. Both the 'straight acting' and the 'camp' may use their persona as a protective shield, and this is fair enough in a society such as this.

I tend to do both, depending on the context. For example, if I were to bump into revol in the pub, I'd be annoyingly camp as fuckin christmas roll eyes But in the company of a screaming campster, I might just go for the 'straightish' butch approach.

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Apr 21 2006 08:38

ahh the joys of performative gender 8)

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Apr 21 2006 08:42

in my hometown many of the gay bars are dens of rabid consumerist conformity, putting 'conservatives' to shame. Then there are the more 'honest' pick up dives, then the drag clubs.

of course I'm in Frisco, now, don't get me started. Our bastard Mayor Newsom, throws the liberals a bone-oh they love his slick ass- by conducting a gay-marriage outside City Hall, meanwhile tacking kickbacks from real estate developers who evict everyone they can, it is horrific. You walk down the street and see trannies and mental patients and such dying in front of you...

Andrew Sullivan is a gay-capitalist-conservative ideologue and a right shit, liar as well, accused Chomsky of pro-Stalinism! He's like the Coulter of the Gay-yuppie set.

GayShame are an excellent queer resistance group that attacks gay/capitalist assimilation, gentrification, shre members with the wobs and various anarcho splinters. They rock.

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Apr 21 2006 08:42

That's me, sweetheart wink

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Apr 21 2006 08:43

Nah. I'm sure you're a pussy cat.

WillsWilde
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Apr 21 2006 08:44

oh you naughty thing you

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Apr 21 2006 08:46

And for my next trick... I'll start talking polari...

WillsWilde
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Apr 21 2006 08:49

...please restrain yourself.

no,not like that eek

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Apr 21 2006 08:50
Serge Forward wrote:
And for my next trick... I'll start talking polari...

?

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Apr 21 2006 08:57

...well they welcome to all, me and the wife did some flyering w/them. one friend in their group said that the normal liberation groups don't understand thet GayShame don't beleive in gayness....

GayShame an inversion of GayPride, the marches here are a huge tourist/corporate circus. A local old-school "Anarchist" is actually the chair of the GayPride committee... roll eyes

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Apr 21 2006 09:01
Joseph K. wrote:
Serge Forward wrote:
And for my next trick... I'll start talking polari...

?

It's old british gay slang, Kenneth Williams was always dropping into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari

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Apr 21 2006 09:03

Heh heh revol, just ask Malatested what I'm like. We used to be neighbours and I'm sure he has a nice collection of stories based on my antics twisted

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Apr 21 2006 09:04

oh shit...i thought it was a trail-off misspell of taking polaroids

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Apr 21 2006 09:05

You learn something new every day, Wills.

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Apr 21 2006 09:06
Serge Forward wrote:
It's old british gay slang, Kenneth Williams was always dropping into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polari

ahh cheers. i'm obvioulsy insufficiently old, british and/or gay for this thread tongue

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Apr 21 2006 09:07

hey Serge, wanna write for a magazine?

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Apr 21 2006 09:08

Shit, I'm not that old! Polari was used back in the days when it was illegal.

Wills, maybe.

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Apr 21 2006 09:13
Serge Forward wrote:
Shit, I'm not that old! Polari was used back in the days when it was illegal.

polari or being gay wink

on side note when i studied law there was an influential school of thought that said anything that was voluntary could legitimately be banned - thus banning beards is ok but banning blacks is not, hence the tories banging on about being gay as 'a lifestyle choice'.

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Apr 21 2006 09:17

Being gay pre-1968.

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Apr 21 2006 09:22
Serge Forward wrote:
Being gay pre-1968.

i do forget how recently this kinda stuff was illegal. Its like it was legal for a man to rape his wife (or rather it wasn't classed as rape) up until like the 70's i think (whoa back on topic with a vengeance 8) ).

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Apr 21 2006 09:24
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Joseph K. wrote:
i do forget how recently this kinda stuff was illegal. Its like it was legal for a man to rape his wife (or rather it wasn't classed as rape) up until like the 70's i think (whoa back on topic with a vengeance 8) ).

up until the eighties actually! eek

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Apr 21 2006 09:25
Joseph K. wrote:
Serge Forward wrote:
Being gay pre-1968.

i do forget how recently this kinda stuff was illegal. Its like it was legal for a man to rape his wife (or rather it wasn't classed as rape) up until like the 70's i think (whoa back on topic with a vengeance 8) ).

I believe it was more recent than that, someone posted the details of the case that set the precedent on another thread recently.

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Apr 21 2006 09:31

I believe in certain Latin American countries rape an wife-murder are easliy gotten away with. And of course 'honor killings' in the Occident...

Poor Oscar ,in Reading Gaol for two years, several hundred gays atleast fled across the channel to France as his trial tanked...those that wore the Green Carnation.

Yeats had arranged for his escape...the police were expecting it, really, would have looked the other way...his Mother told him to 'face up to it son, or I'lll never speak to ye again..." and the rest is tragedy. A warden at Reading told one of his friends that, never having done hard labor in his life, he would be dead within 2 years, and he was. Biographer Ellman postulates w /no small proof that it was ultimately syphilis, tho. And Nietschze, as well, both in the year of our lord 1900.

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Apr 21 2006 09:38
WillsWilde wrote:
I believe in certain Latin American countries rape an wife-murder are easliy gotten away with. And of course 'honor killings' in the Occident...

I believe in this country rape is also easily got away with too. And wife-murder is also slightly easier to get of in this country than you'd imagine, too.

http://www.jfw.org.uk/ONTRIAL.HTM

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Apr 21 2006 09:41

quite dreadful.