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Feb 4 2005 16:52
Dialectics of truancy

Anyone else think that this crackdown on truancy in schools has links with the 'problem' of absenteeism in the workplace?

Cleaver goes on about how the keynesian policies of linking pay to production were undermined by a rejection of work altogether (through say skiving, I'd appreciate any major examples if anyone knows of any) and that monetarism prevailed in an attempt to break this ethic and the militancy of the unions. Is the assault against common disobedience and absenteeism in the workplace beginning in the schooling system? After all is school not simply a tool to socialise and instruct children for work?

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Feb 4 2005 17:41

I would say yes. The education system is there to prepare us all for capitalism, and you cant have a bunch of workers having a good time at home instead of being at work, its just doesnt benefit capitalism, so therefore its obvious and attempt to stop sickies at work by cracking down on truancy.

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Feb 4 2005 18:18

Again we are brought back to that fascinating question, are apples green or red?

Caiman del Barrio
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Feb 6 2005 22:16

Spar only sells green ones. And, as a member of the proleteriat, I am sufficiently small-minded enough to not believe in a world outside my workplace. Also, I'm so working class I only think empirically, not rationally.

Ergo, apples are green.

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Feb 7 2005 12:11

The word 'dialectics' makes the most banal aspect of life sound intelligent.

eg 'The dialectics of taking a shit' or 'The dialectics of verbiage'

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Feb 7 2005 12:38

You're being a bit simplistic. Truancy isn't solely about kids not wanting to go to school. There are many other factors involved, whereas people taking sick days from work when they aren't sick is rather straightforward. Agree/disagree?

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Feb 7 2005 12:45

I do statistics for a national children's charity (when I'm not posting on enrager wink ) & I had a request the other day to do an analysis of the problems kids have when they truant from school.

Interestingly, only 2 of the top 5 problems are directly school related -- the rest are to do with problems at home of varying kinds & seriousness.

Ah well.... back to the stats.

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Feb 7 2005 14:14
Refused wrote:
You're being a bit simplistic. Truancy isn't solely about kids not wanting to go to school. There are many other factors involved, whereas people taking sick days from work when they aren't sick is rather straightforward. Agree/disagree?

And that's also simplistic. To answer Revol, the best approach is to look at situations and analyse and disentangle the revolutionary and non-revolutioary implications of each one. Like duh. Mr. T

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Feb 7 2005 16:18

I was talking in terms of the response to truancy not the cause. No matter what the problem is you cant not go to school, its better to talk about your problems with your teachers and return to school. Its clearly not a matter of schools desperately wanting to impart knowledge to kids, when i was at school we didnt even have enough for 1 txt book bewteen two, yet the school was erecting metal pronged fences and cctv all around the place.

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Feb 7 2005 16:22
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
I was talking in terms of the response to truancy not the cause. No matter what the problem is you cant not go to school, its better to talk about your problems with your teachers and return to school.

How do you know that this is always the case?

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Feb 7 2005 16:35

in the same way you cant just not go to work, if you have a problem its best to sit down with your boss and discuss the matter.

There are clearly many reasons for truancy, bullying, boredom, disgust of authority, inability to conform or undertake assigned tasks, problems at home, general disinterest. Some of which can be applied to skiving work.

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Feb 7 2005 16:42
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
in the same way you cant just not go to work, if you have a problem its best to sit down with your boss and discuss the matter.

This is a really bad example to use. I'll wait for a bit and assume that someone has taken over your username and is posting bollocks before I even think about coming back on it... black bloc

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Feb 7 2005 16:43
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
you cant just not go to work, if you have a problem its best to sit down with your boss and discuss the matter.

Couldn't resist it. And try replacing the word 'work' with the word 'school' for added value.

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Feb 7 2005 16:44

Dude i was being fescesious (spell?), its the truth! Thats the fucking rules of the game.

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Feb 7 2005 17:02
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
if you have a problem its best to sit down with your boss and discuss the matter.

That's right. After all, as a worker, I have a lot in common with my boss, & there's no way s/he's going to use anything I tell them to fuck me over in future. roll eyes

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Feb 7 2005 22:19
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Woah, sleeping is revolutionary. Nothing will please Cantdoanything more...

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Feb 8 2005 17:26

Is there a problem here? I thought all anarchists were sarcy cunts?!

Yes it is best to discuss problems with your boss, maybe let him take you out for a meal over which you can highlight any problems you may be having at work, eg a fax machine operating too slowly or a lack of team spirit in the camp. Mark Steel once highlighted the problems a boss might have with this approach. He spoke of a day at school when a teacher tried to get the children to discuss their problems openly and the first kid he questioned about whether he had any 'problems' repiled 'yes sir, your a cunt'.

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Feb 9 2005 20:12

i was the best truant ever. i was doing three day weeks long after the strikers had gone back to work.

maybe i'm missing the revolutionary irony or something but if you're between a rock and a hard place talking to your boss or your teacher might be the best way out of the shit or maybe into it but it might be the only realistic choice you have given that we live in the real world. most people can't afford to just not go to work or school and what real alternatives are there that are accessible enough for anyone to really consider if they aren't already part of the activist mileiu or lefty homeschooling ethos?

lovely. i'd do it tomorrow except that being poors no pleasure either. actually this poster really irritates me.

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Feb 9 2005 20:57
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
I was talking in terms of the response to truancy not the cause. No matter what the problem is you cant not go to school, its better to talk about your problems with your teachers and return to school.

Thats not true at all, some times kids have family related issues they have to deal with at home. For example if a brother or sister is going througha rough patch it'd be better for a kid to skip school to help them sort it out. Thats just one example out of god knows how many different personal situations.

Its absolutely pointless and stupid to make these sort of generalisations about someone taking a day off school or work or anything else for that matter.

What place does this have on a political board? what possible theory are you trying to construct here? its just utterly ludicrous.

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Feb 9 2005 21:16
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What place does this have on a political board? what possible theory are you trying to construct here? its just utterly ludicrous.

cantdo, do you eat fiery hot chillies all the time? i don't always completely disagree with some of the things you say but you don't half shout.

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Feb 14 2005 10:34

right, its clearly a wind up, so i'l contribute no more

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Feb 14 2005 10:47

(I was under the impression that the question was about whether the attacks on truancy are like (or related to) attacks on skiving in the workplace and questioning how they are related if they are.)

They let you truant if you pass your exams. They do. I used to alternate between 2 weeks going to lessons and 2 weeks bunking and on account of being able to prove I could do whatever they wanted they didn't mind the 50% attendance rate.

I think the attacks on truancy are more the Labour government working on creating another bogeyman to be "tough on" (much like they're tough on Islamist terrorism, asylum seekers, antisocial behaviour, drugs and a number of other things that are pretty much irrelevant) and distract people from real politics.

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Feb 14 2005 11:59

Most, if not all 'bogeymen' have a strategic importance.

Attacks on asylum seekers, anti-social behaviour and drugs are all brilliant distractions since they divide communities, highlighting 'asylum seekers' as a problem can create divisions in the workplace which can weaken the resolve of any group of employees and create splits.

Highlighting those who participate in 'anti-social' behaviour, an oxymoron if ever there was one, as a problem can distract residents from the real problems, (deprivation, boredom, poverty) in their community, or highlight the complete lack of any communtiy.

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Feb 14 2005 12:16

I was under the impression that that was all obvious.

People who participate in ASB don't even need highlighting. Tell everyone it's a problem (the middle classes will be able to relate it to whatever vague experiences they have of being grumpy because they saw some kid drop the paper from their chips next to a bus shelter or whatever), and they'll buy into bullshit about the government cracking down on it. Never mind that it's got fuck all to do with anything. It's not about targetting anyone in particular. It's about inventing a phenomenon that other people can then relate their only-very-remotely-related experiences to in order to justify the government getting authoritarian and having a good old bit of a crackdown.

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Feb 14 2005 12:27

A 'folk devil' if you like

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Feb 15 2005 00:10
Vaneigemappreciationclub wrote:
A 'folk devil' if you like

Is folk devil a common word in UK? I have only seen it in the book "folk devils and moral panic"

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Feb 15 2005 12:12

Moral panics! Brighton beach, mods n rockers!

I couldnt say mate i only came across it in sociology where old arthur was described as a 'folk devil'