Anti-psychiatry

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Nov 9 2004 00:31
Anti-psychiatry

What does it mean to be anti-psychiatrist? What are anti-psychiatrist people against specifically?

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Nov 9 2004 10:22

very quick reply: best sites to check out are probably www.szasz.com and www.antipsychiatry.org

MindFreedom and MadPride are probably worth googling as well...

the most "famous" antipsychiatrists are, philosophically, basically right-libertarians, but it can be combined with an anarchist viewpoint as well, as quite a lot of anarchists do.

Icepick, if he still posts here, knows quite a bit about this too i think...

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Nov 9 2004 11:32

yeah that's my u75 name. should have that name here really but this shit one kinda stuck embarrassed

er yeah RD Laing's probably the main guy you wanna read (he was a psychiatrist anti-psychiatrist). Wrote loads of great stuff.

Basic premise: going mad is a perfectly rational and sane response to lving in an irrational and insane society, ergo good mental health necessitates changing society.

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Nov 9 2004 12:33
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okay im going out on a limb here but im guessing they might be against psychiatrists grin

Now where might you get that idea from? confused grin

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Nov 9 2004 12:36

Cheers Rebel Lion + G'sB smile

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Nov 9 2004 15:20
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Basic premise: going mad is a perfectly rational and sane response to lving in an irrational and insane society, ergo good mental health necessitates changing society.

Aye, it seems to me that psychiatric thinkers like Freud etc. worked out enough about the functioning of the human mind so they could make a huge profit without curing any of the madness. One of the main spin-offs is advertising, where they have a much greater ability to manipulate people's minds - this contributes to the rising madness in our society.

The same reasoning can be applied to other social problems like crime - trying to deal with it once its happened (more police, laws etc.) is pointless, its just cleaning up the mess. Unfortunately, the enemy (the rich and those who want to be rich) do not want society to be healthier as it eats into short-term profits. They prefer people to be as fragmented, scared, confused and ignorant as possible (we're catching up with the Americans in this). The ruthless manipulation of people through the media, using the ego as the target, leads to many of our problems which is why I think people should stop reading "entertaining" tabloid press (fun! fun! fun!) for their own good and the good of our society and the world in general.

[waits for small yappy dog to savage bottom of trouser leg.]

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Nov 9 2004 20:17

yeah, but whats sane and insane?

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Nov 9 2004 20:36

Psychiatrists are a good thing, insanity and mental disorders are definately linked to how shit society is, but if pstchiatrists can make that person more happier tehre is nothing wrong with that.

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Nov 9 2004 22:52

I think there's a workshop kind of on this subject at the bookfair - Dorothy Rowe I think? Looks interesting.

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Nov 9 2004 23:37
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if pstchiatrists can make that person more happier tehre is nothing wrong with that.

Curious working class guy: but look, the bosses are completely in control!!! Our lives are just a repetitive grind!!! I wanna fight for change!!

Psychiatrist: No the bosses aren't in control. Your life is incredibly varied. Don't rock the boat. Take these pills.

Curious working class guy: *takes them* I feel much better now. I'll work unpaid overtime and quit my union.

Yeah, ignorance is...

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Nov 10 2004 10:03
bigdave wrote:

Aye, it seems to me that psychiatric thinkers like Freud etc. worked out enough about the functioning of the human mind so they could make a huge profit without curing any of the madness. One of the main spin-offs is advertising, where they have a much greater ability to manipulate people's minds - this contributes to the rising madness in our society.

I think in freud's case he sent his theoreys to his nephew or somt in the states, and it was his nephew who turned it to advertising and made the killing. Or something like that. Didn't get my wake-up coffee fix today... cry

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Nov 10 2004 15:50
Kalashnikov_Blues wrote:
yeah, but whats sane and insane?

have a look for yourself at http://www.psychologynet.org/dsm.html

diagnose yourself/friends/family- it great fun

from his post alone i've already diagnosed revol as having a narcisitic personality disorder smile

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Nov 10 2004 16:04
WeTheYouth wrote:
but if pstchiatrists can make that person more happier tehre is nothing wrong with that.

its not a Psychiatrist role to make someone happy, but to make them sane- follow a certain pattern of behaviour. Not sure there's much reason to believe that Psychiatrist are particularlly good at this. For instance in certain puerto rican communities in new york people suffering from Schizophrenia (according to the mental health professionals) or demonic possession (according to the puerto ricans) where more likely to return to a normal existence following exorcism than treatment by pyschiatrists.

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Nov 10 2004 16:04

double post

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Nov 10 2004 16:05

http://www.4degreez.com/misc/personality_disorder_test.mv

Thats what you want, its fool proof, I'm narcissistic and avoidant.

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Nov 10 2004 18:01

i just did the test. NOW i'm depressed...

the only thing that cheers me up is that some of the characteristics of the different things it decided was wrong with me are complete contradictions of each other

tis' bollocks

but then thats avoidance, can't fuckin win.... sad

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Nov 10 2004 18:10

Wow. Apparently I'm schizoid. Cool...

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Nov 10 2004 18:19

Apparently I'm paranoid and avoidant. w00t!

lucy82
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Nov 10 2004 18:38

yeah, well i'm apparently schizotypical, borderline, histrionic, narcissistic, avoidant and dependent

beat that, lightweights

tongue

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Nov 10 2004 18:53

Yeah but histrionic and narcissistic aren't really in this season. Paranoid and obsessive-compulsive are what all the cool mental patients have these days.

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Nov 10 2004 19:44

you sure about that?

histrionic

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Behavior may include constant seeking of approval or attention, striking self-centeredness, or sexual seductiveness in inappropriate situations. Personal interests and conversation will be self-focused and behavior, including speech, will be persistently self-directed.

sounds like some enrager posts to me...

grin

and Narcissus was an interesting man. a freedman with a lot of influence. he got claudius's wife killed, got very, very rich, then the next wife of claudius (agrippina the younger) drove Narcissus to suicide...

if only he'd had a good psychiatrist, exorcist or internet access..

wink

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Nov 10 2004 19:50
lucy82 wrote:
yeah, well i'm apparently schizotypical, borderline, histrionic, narcissistic, avoidant and dependent

beat that, lightweights

tongue

I think i'm in love.

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Nov 10 2004 20:12

sorry refused, it just ain't gonna work, mad as i am..

the good news is you had a rat called norman the destroyer (for which i'd almost forgive you anything) smile

except that the bad news is you think homosexuality is a sin angry

can't see how we're gonna work around that one

sad

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Nov 10 2004 20:17

Will lemon meringue help?

lucy82
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Nov 10 2004 20:20

only if i can share it with my girlfriend tongue

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Nov 10 2004 20:22

Go ahead!

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Nov 10 2004 21:21

Anti-psychiatry also takes into account the workings of the mental health system in practice - coerced treatment, medication without consent - it's the only illness which you can't refuse treatment for. Psychiatry for me means the pharmacological way of dealing with mental illness, I'm not sure anti-psychiatrists are against psychology and psychologists, which are non-medication ways of dealing with mental illness (generally).

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Nov 11 2004 00:47
lucy82 wrote:
you sure about that?

histrionic

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Behavior may include constant seeking of approval or attention, striking self-centeredness, or sexual seductiveness in inappropriate situations. Personal interests and conversation will be self-focused and behavior, including speech, will be persistently self-directed.

sounds like some enrager posts to me...

Oh come on if you say that it makes me think you don't like me - you like me right? Come on listen to me you like me right??

Man I'm so damn good at this posting shit, I'm a bit tired though, I have a cup of tea. Hey baby how you doowen? you want some PM-cyber-sex babe? I'm quite fascinated by myself you know I keep a mirror next to my PC to check myself out in, don't I - hey I sure do. Yup. Oh yeah.

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Nov 11 2004 02:11
Catch wrote:
Anti-psychiatry also takes into account the workings of the mental health system in practice - coerced treatment, medication without consent - it's the only illness which you can't refuse treatment for. Psychiatry for me means the pharmacological way of dealing with mental illness, I'm not sure anti-psychiatrists are against psychology and psychologists, which are non-medication ways of dealing with mental illness (generally).

Dont try an put this thread back on track, do the quiz, tell us what personal disorder you have.

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Nov 11 2004 07:57
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Oh come on if you say that it makes me think you don't like me - you like me right? Come on listen to me you like me right??

Man I'm so damn good at this posting shit, I'm a bit tired though, I have a cup of tea. Hey baby how you doowen? you want some PM-cyber-sex babe? I'm quite fascinated by myself you know I keep a mirror next to my PC to check myself out in, don't I - hey I sure do. Yup. Oh yeah.

Mr. T

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Nov 12 2004 00:00

Apparrently I'm schizotypal and paranoid. You can't win with that test, its a conspiracy against me I tells ya black bloc