Anarchism organised?

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Dumfries
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Nov 4 2004 14:17
Anarchism organised?

When I was a member of the SWP, regardless of there politics, they kept in contact with new members, to let them know what was going on, what they could get involved in etc etc.

Obviously my politics has changed drastically since then, and of course the SWP take what i've described to extremes, usually being over zealous with new members or even potential new members to the point that they become disillusioned and simply give up...

I've only attempted to get involved with the anarchist scene in england for 2 months so I don't know anything, really, about what goes on, and how things are done. I can get an idea theoretically and that's what i'm concerned about with the anarchist movement in general.

Should the anarchist movement organise itself in a way that builds up contacts with new members, keeps them regulaarly updated about stuff and gets them involved as much as they want?

One anarchist principle, so it seems, is to not have paid members. Of course I can see what this could create. Creating power structures is fundamentally against anarchist organisation, and for good reason, but is having full time members active because they want to be and because other members can't be, necessarily a bad thing?

I don't see what the problem is by having federations/collectives voting in members who are given responsabilities that are a 24hour thing...Maybe it could be said that it isn't practically necessary, but I would disagree, it is necessary to have people working around the clock because for those members who work, they work.

In my two months experience of anarchism in England, I have not seen a visable anarchist presence. Maybe it's that old anarchist paranoia or even sectarianism or elitism, I don't know? But is attempting to create a visable, organised movement with commited members really against anarchism as a theory?

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Nov 4 2004 14:51

It's not against anarchist theory at all. There are at least three anarchist organisations that do what you've mentioned. They're not very visible, but no anarchist organisations are very visible in this country. The anarchists in these islands tend to be based in doing direct action, often split over a wide number of campaigns, rather than pushing anarchism per se. This focus on action is one of our strnegths, but it also means that there's no framework apart from the connections we make to get tasks done, whaich are then often dissolved after the campaign is over.

In short -- for the SWP, building the party is an end in itself. For anarchists, their anarchism is only an end to the extent that it hels with a general liberation. So there may be hundreds of anarchists in Sheffield who don't shout about it.

A bit of a paradox. You could join the Anarchist Federation if you like. I don't tknow if they have any members in Sheff.

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Nov 4 2004 16:15

someone wrote to Freedom saying they were gonna try to set up a new sheff anarchist group - there was one there for years i believe...

will dig up the email address in the next few days...

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Nov 4 2004 16:48
George'sBush wrote:
someone wrote to Freedom saying they were gonna try to set up a new sheff anarchist group - there was one there for years i believe...

will dig up the email address in the next few days...

Yeah, that was me. Never done it before and have no contacts. I'm thinking of just going to where the action is, but i've got no idea where that would be???

It would be nice to start a squat here in sheffield but don't know how to do it. Support of any kind would be great...Maybe i'm being a little impatient, but sitting around on your ass reading Kropotkin and "prison memoirs of an anarchist" can only last so long..... smile

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Nov 4 2004 16:50

Hello there

You are the guy who wanted to join the AF and get involved up in Sheffield aren't you? WEll, sorry you haven't been contacted properly.

The thing is, we do all the AF stuff in our spare time, and of course it is much less organised that it could/should be. This is the outcome of not having paid positions I suppose, althoughsome comrades are much more concientious than others (i'd include myself in the latter group).

Could you email info@afed.org.uk with your current details and I'll make sure someone calls you

Dumfries
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Nov 4 2004 16:56
pingtiao wrote:
Hello there

You are the guy who wanted to join the AF and get involved up in Sheffield aren't you? WEll, sorry you haven't been contacted properly.

The thing is, we do all the AF stuff in our spare time, and of course it is much less organised that it could/should be. This is the outcome of not having paid positions I suppose, althoughsome comrades are much more concientious than others (i'd include myself in the latter group).

Could you email info@afed.org.uk with your current details and I'll make sure someone calls you

No no, dude, i've been in contact with a guy from manchester, spoke on the phone once, but he's gone to Ireland or some such thing for his holidays (lucky bastard)...

What I need is some contacts in sheffield? Do you know any? I need some papers/mags and more than anything i need advice on what to do. It would be great for someone to come here. The manchester guy said he would come to meet me, but he's gone now. I can't be arsed to wait...There must be someone, somewhere, who wants to give me a hand, but there's nowt in sheffield! Would you like to volunteer wink

If i'm being impatient, sorry, but if can't bare the prospect of being a temp for an admin agency...dole's ok for me aslong as i've got somthin to do! What better than organising an anarchist federation (however that's done)???

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Nov 4 2004 18:12
The Anarchist Tension wrote:
It would be nice to start a squat here in sheffield but don't know how to do it. Support of any kind would be great..

There have been political squats in Sheff in the past. Were you around when the last 'wiser monkeys' happened? If you google for it maybe you'll find an old contact/telephone number you could use for them.

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Nov 5 2004 11:02
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
The Anarchist Tension wrote:
It would be nice to start a squat here in sheffield but don't know how to do it. Support of any kind would be great..

There have been political squats in Sheff in the past. Were you around when the last 'wiser monkeys' happened? If you google for it maybe you'll find an old contact/telephone number you could use for them.

thanks