Intro to Anarcho-Capitalism

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Oct 9 2018 06:29
Intro to Anarcho-Capitalism

Came across this article

https://71republic.com/2018/10/08/an-introduction-to-anarcho-capitalism/

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Oct 9 2018 10:27

Pity they dont seem to have a comment section. Cos I would love to have a crack at critiquing their laughable assumptions about the supposed 'voluntary' nature of capitalist transactions. That aside one wonders how they propose to get from where we are today - a world of giant corporations that work hand in glove with states - to their fairy tale free market utopia of a sturdy yeomanry bringing their pigs , chickens and homegrown carrots to market. Ancaps are a complete irrelevance in practical terms but, at the same time, an annoying pain in the arse in their strident dogmas that seek to invest the institution of the market with an aura of respectability and legitimacy

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Oct 9 2018 16:59
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Came across this article

A peculiar thing to masturbate over? Still, whatever gets you through the day.

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Oct 9 2018 17:57

Ah, the usual nonsense -- not like it has not be critiqued before:

https://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/secFcon.html

It really is a pile of self-contradictory nonsense -- and hardly libertarian, as the property owner becomes the government.

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"Black symbolizes anarchy and the yellow symbolizes capitalism."

The Black Flag symbolises anarchy because it was raised by the anarchst-communists they so hate. And why did they raise that flag? Because it was a symbol of workers' revolt against... capitalism! The flag of strikes, as Louise Michel put it:

https://anarchism.pageabode.com/afaq/append2.html

It would be so much better if they called their ideology something else -- and stopped linking it to the individualist anarchists, who for all their faults recognised the problems of capitalism.

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Oct 9 2018 19:13
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Left anarchists argue that the capitalist workplace is somehow “hierarchal” because there is a boss.

This is such a funny line, something about it feels reminiscent of classic Simpsons. Anyway, I used to think these people were just an irrelevant joke, now I still mainly think that but I'm increasingly bothered by the potential for people to start off with this stuff and then move into full-on nazi territory - see stuff like Anti-Communist Action.

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Oct 10 2018 12:00
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Anyway, I used to think these people were just an irrelevant joke, now I still mainly think that but I'm increasingly bothered by the potential for people to start off with this stuff and then move into full-on nazi territory - see stuff like Anti-Communist Action.

Yes at this point right libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism are a direct vector to Pinochet helicopter memes. Would include 'classical liberalism' in the same category at this point, I think that's mostly a rebrand of right libertarians to get the word 'liberal' in there.

For example look at the logo of the 'Classical Liberal Society' that hosted Angela Nagle and Sargon of Akkad recently:

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Then this article about the development of the Gadsden flag since the Tea Party: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-shifting-symbolism-of-the-gadsden-flag

Notably this vector to the alt-right wasn't discussed in Nagle's book about the alt-right. There are a couple of articles about the vector though that are worth a look, particularly the medium one is interesting:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-insidious-libertarian-to-alt-right-pipeline

https://medium.com/@elliotgulliverneedham/why-libertarians-are-embracing-fascism-5a9747a44db9

So at this point it's not only rebutting the idea that anarcho-capitalism is anarchism, but also showing to what extent it's a variant of third-positionism or a vector to fascism.

Someone with more energy than me would then need to figure out where mutualists and 'market anarchists' fit in like https://c4ss.org/ - generally I'd put that lot under 'wrong about money'.

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Oct 10 2018 13:02

To the extent that it's worth putting effort into disrupting these people, I wonder if it'd be worth pushing them on attitudes to immigration/free movement as a kind of litmus test. Obv anyone who holds these views must be pretty good at ignoring cognitive dissonance, but ICE and UKBA/Border Force are pretty much the embodiment of libertarian nightmares, so you'd think anyone who claims to be about supporting individual freedom against oppressive state power would have to support free movement, or at least oppose the current border regime. Or if they can justify it, then it's one more sign that they need to drop their anarcho/libertarian claims and admit that they're just fascists.

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Oct 10 2018 13:37
R Totale wrote:
To the extent that it's worth putting effort into disrupting these people, I wonder if it'd be worth pushing them on attitudes to immigration/free movement as a kind of litmus test.

This is covered a bit in https://medium.com/@elliotgulliverneedham/why-libertarians-are-embracing-fascism-5a9747a44db9 and the prognosis isn't good.

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But when the advantages start to erode, that’s when they are forced to turn to more reactionary, authoritarian ideologies. Immigration is an ideal example for this, since under a libertarian ideology, immigration should not be restricted in any way. Borders are one of the major constructs of the state, and we shouldn’t be restricting the right of people to choose where they live. However, if you actually talk to libertarians, very often you’ll find that they are far more against immigration than their supposed ideology would suggest. The same rhetoric around the ‘undeserving poor’ is used both towards people on welfare, and immigrants who are apparently coming to live on welfare. This is also due to the idea that immigrants will vote for left-wing parties more (which they do), and then lead to a stronger welfare state. Time and time again, libertarians have shown to be willing to abandon what they would claim as their core principles to uphold the societal order, which places them at the top.

I can't find the link at the moment, but I think Generation Identity (which seems like a natural home of post-libertarian fascists) was recently doing some kind of foreign aid thing, where they would help people in Libyan camps to return to Sudan or similar rather than crossing the med. This is of course in line with mainstream policy which would love to redirect people back to warzones, but a lot more plausibly deniability with something like that than Fortress Europe since if places were safe then refugees being able to return would be a good thing, the problem is of course that they're not.

A couple of other people/articles, the article is by Arthur Chu of all people, but Occupy's Justine Tunney and her trajectory to NrX and Mencius Moldbug - Moldbug is a big fan of Thomas Carlyle: https://www.thedailybeast.com/occupying-the-throne-justine-tunney-neoreactionaries-and-the-new-1 The essay also talks about Peter Thiel.

There's also yet more crossover with anarchist bookfair-invader Amir Taaki whose best mate built alt-right crowdfunding site hatreon and is currently on the run in Taiwan evading US charges of statutory rape http://social-ecology.org/wp/2018/01/the-new-reactionaries-amir-taaki-alt-right-entryism-and-rojava-solidarity/