female gender pay gap? does it exist and how to work it out?

Abolish the wage.

The thing is, the gender wage gap doesn't just exist between male and female CEOs, it cuts across all jobs - including the low-wage jobs where a discrepancy in pay has the most detrimental impact.

So while Khawaga's right that ultimately we want to abolish the wage system altogether, anarchists should and do fight for equal pay for equal work.

Yeah, they don't advertise that sort of thing. It's about systematic inequalities in which women are offered less as opening salaries and then given smaller raises and raises less often.

As for evidence, perhaps try google instead of someone believing you never seeing a job advertising explicating stating an employer's intention to discriminate somehow constitutes useful evidence.

There was definitely a gender gap in pay at Jimmy John's, where I worked a low-wage fast food job for a long time. Everyone was hired at $7.25/hr, but some men would eventually be given raises of up to $9/hr, whereas no woman ever made above $8.25.

It's probably even more noticeable at higher-skilled working class jobs. On average, a male nurse in the US makes more than $5000 more per year than a female nurse.

Yes it exists. From a recent government report, the gender pay gap is positive across all professions, though varies in size from about 6% to 30%:

In terms of how you work it out, the UK government bases it on the ASHE (Annual Survey of Hours and Earnings), and divides (non-bonus) earnings by hours to get an hourly rate (controlling for differences in hours worked). As with any statistical calculation there's assumptions and omissions and methodological choices, but I don't think the results are particularly controversial.

Liber, I may be wrong so I apologise in advance if I am, but I suspect you have a broader point about sexual inequality to make. Am I correct and if I am why don't you just come out with it?

Bullshit! To write something like this, one needs to believe either 1)most of the women are CEOs (or paid in similar levels/terms) in a capitalist society, or 2) there is no difference between a female and a male worker (even sometimes while doing the same job)? (and plus needs to believe: everybody in a western nation is doing great in terms of income.) Both are obviously wrong and anyone can easily check the facts about this if he/she wishes to care. So this comes back to the point Webby makes: (in my paraphrasing) "why you do not speak your mind, but try to hide between manipulative sentences that are obviously bullshit"?"

You are being way to kind doing that sort of work for him/her.

LiberArchie where are you coming from where you can demand a personal response to the most stupid questions.

*Liber looks out the window. The earth is flat from where I'm standing. Telling me to google Copernicus is not an answer.*

True. Obvious ulterior motive is obvious.

LiberArchie

More bullshit! Why don't you read some socialist/anarchist/feminist classics yourself? If you did you wont be speaking this ignorant. But I assume you are not a reader type as you even fail to go and read the above document. Like capitalism, patriarchy is a universal phenomena. In the world we live in -on average- women are paid less, tend to do jobs that are worse in terms of insurance/security/status and and face more or extra bullying/sexual threads in workplaces compared to men.

Also your so called "opinion" just ignores a basic fact. Even if the conditions of women is better in western countries this is not because western countries were better in terms of culture or anything (or becuase they are developed "whatever this means"). It is because women's movements did formed there and fight the fight and gained what you now say as "overpriveleged, entitled, bourgeosie,liberal fucks" and similar rights (well of course this issue can not be thought independent of changes in capitalist formation in respective societies) Anyway the ultimate point is that it is because of who you try to slander, women win a relative victory against the likes of you, you moron. Moreover patriarchy were never successfully removed from any real socialist experiment, so it is an ongoing need for any socialist project. Otherwise you still end up with opression and exploitation of women in a socialist setting (which is still worse) Go read some history.

Can we remove this guy now? This is just pathetic

We seem to have an inordinate amount of bro-socialists and ancaps around at the moment. I just wonder, as things are supposed to come in threes, when is the Trot attack going to get underway?

I was there until February this year. (I quit after my hours got slashed in retaliation for organizing, incidentally)

Fuck you.

Fuck you.

No. That's the salary differential for people doing exactly the same job. Also, fuck you.

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Cute. You want to talk about gendered work? Two of the fastest growing working class occupations where I live are "housekeeper" and "nurse". Those jobs have historically been done by women, and are still performed mostly by women. We've witnessed a feminization of the working class, especially at the lowest strata of the class. However, more and more men are starting to do those jobs, and they consistently make more money than women in the same position.

source

Which is to say: fuck you.

LiberArchie have we danced before? You sound awfully familiar...

talk about identity politics

where's omen?

LiberArchie

And you are a CEO I assume? And you see anarchists/socialists/feminists trying to defend female CEOs all the time, though you are the righteous person.

No they don't, liberal feminism is not the same as w/c feminism you big clown.

LiberArchie

No worry, the poor guy from the office is safe now as you are here teaching him if the "overpriveleged, entitled, bourgeosie,liberal fucks" in other words women was not there, his socialist bros would pay him equal wage. Fantastic class analysis you made right there (add sarcasm icon)

In the US, the really crappy jobs are statistically more likely to be done by women. The numbers support this, and anecdotally, in my 8 years of organizing in the service sector it was always just obvious.

If you want to call yourself a fucking socialist you could at least bother to learn some basic facts and draw materialist conclusions.

LiberArchie

Maybe it is because discrimination based on sexuality is illegal? Similarly, maybe because it is considered illegal, thanks to fight of feminists you despise of, you smartass ? Do you also see no ads about slavery nowadays right? Think about it. And after that think on two more issues
1) If human slavery is totally ended (including in the west) (including various forms of human trafficing etc...)
2) Why western "developed" countries have some better standards for women?