Derrick Jensen

He's a primitivist. His vision of an ideal society is one of mass death for at least 90% of the human population and miserable, disease-ridden, short lives of hunting and gathering for the survivors.

You'll be hard pressed to find people around here who don't think he's a douchebag.

Fuck Deep Green Resistance and Derrick Jensen and all the other head up their asses primmos BUT -

Too fucking right.

Where the hell do you get off deciding whether someone else's abuse is authentic enough for you? What makes you an authority on whether or not someone was abused? How do you get to decide whether someone's response to abuse is appropriate or not, as you have done in other threads? What put you in a high and mighty position to make a judgement about whether or not someone is lying? It set off alarm bells, did it? On what grounds? It is clearly too much to ask that you might give someone the benefit of the doubt when they disclose abuse. Not mundane enough? Sexual and physical abuse is never mundane, not to the person who has experienced it. What does it need to take before you'll listen to accounts of abuse with an open mind? Do you have to witness it or experience it yourself?

Honestly, if the Rolling Stone story is the thing you dwell on amongst all the discussion and events of the last few years and your boneheaded refusal to listen to accounts by people who have been abused with an open mind, then you are very much a part of this problem.

edit: Jesus, you start a thread asking about Jenson/DGR but you can't resist putting in a little bit just to throw shade on someone's account of being abused. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Asshole.

Fleur, I’m far from disagreeing with you, though I suspect that your feeding Deku’s need to appear naive, droll and misunderstood.

Deku, you are right people’s memories are notoriously unreliable, so why do you choose to read something you consider to be crap? The world is full of seriously good books, look at lib-com’s lists – not by any mean exhaustive. So why bathe your brain in this stuff?

Actually Fleur is a person. She's angry because you are repeatedly being really horrible about abuse/rape. You might want to think about the possibility that you are in the wrong and being really nasty about a serious issue.

Why is it that whenever someone on libcom--filled with people who I doubt identify as part of the left--criticizes something you write, it immediately becomes representative of some unsavory left groupthink in apparent contrast to your own independent thinking? Why do you write stupid bullshit like that someone's account of sexual abuse is suspect (whereas their accounting of the rest of their life experiences doesn't warrant any such suspicion, apparently; what a surprise) and then refuse to actually back up anything you ever claim about sexual assault, feminism, etc. other then the occasional screenshot of a tweet as evidence of sinister feminist oppression and instead pull this "above it all" act?

DekuScrub3 has been temporarily banned, pending admin discussion.

No it fucking hasn't, but it should.

I've been reading your posts on libcom for 2 months, and it looks to me like you consistently doubt claims of sexual abuse. You don't have this obsessive skepticism about anything else. Just sexual abuse. Why?

I was personally the target of false allegations of abuse by a man who I worked for 3 years ago. We went to court and the truth eventually came out that he was lying. So I know false allegations are a real possibility. But I also know it's just the decent thing to do to give the benefit of the doubt to the survivor's story. Not default to "what if they're lying?" The reason that's the default reaction for so many men is related to rape culture and male sexual entitlement. That's why your behavior pisses people off.

Auld-bod

I suspect you're a far nicer person than I am and I know I shouldn't rise to some of the bullshit Deku says. However I'm not buying his faux naif act, no-one can be quite as willfully ignorant as he seems to be. Trolls and the feeding of etc.

And he has no excuse to profess either ignorance or naiveté. It's been pointed out many times to him why and also how his views on sexual violence and feminism are hugely problematic. Moreover, his consistent refusal to even try to challenge hi views, preferring to retreat into his own worldview, show that he has no desire to even entertain changing them. For him it's just "difference of opinion", not something that should be inherent to any anarchist politics.

Wild shit.

Among other things, he is basically suspect of Jensen's life-story because Jensen didn't give the person who had abused him for years proper three-dimensionality in his book. (?)

Its just way the fuck out there. That said, a fair bit better effort than most of our trolls lately.

Jensen describes his father's abuse, which DekuScrub3 refutes. Ignorance, naivety, or prejudice is no excuse. The ban should be made permanent.