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Cornish Anarchists / Cornish Autonomists?

Dydh da

Nationality exists in the minds of men, its only conceivable habitat. Outside men’s minds there can be no nationality, because nationality is a manner of looking at oneself not an entity an sich. Common sense is able to detect it, and the only human discipline that can describe and analyse it is psychology. This awareness, this sense of nationality, this national sentiment, is more than a characteristic of a nation. It is nationhood itself.

The Cornish are a Celtic ethnic identity and historic nation of the southwest of Great Britain. We have our own lesser used Celtic language, sports, festivals, cuisine, music, dance, history all rapped up in a perception of ourselves as being other than English. (1)

The PLASC ethnic data from the 2007 Cornish schools survey showed that 27% of children consider themselves to be Cornish rather than British or English. (2) The results from the 2001 UK population census show over 37,000 people hold a Cornish identity instead of English or British.(3) On this census, to claim to be Cornish, you had to deny being British, by crossing out the British option and then write ‘Cornish’ in the “other” box. This does not represent a mere clerical error or poorly thought through wording. This represents a denial of the right of the Cornish to describe themselves in terms of their identity. It might seem trite to complain about something that happened six years ago, but the 2001 census will remain relevant until the next one (in 2011). How many more people would have described themselves as Cornish if they did not have to deny being British or if there had been a Cornish tick box? How many people knew that writing 'Cornish' in the “other” box was an option? (This was extremely poorly publicised). How many ticked British but feel themselves to be Cornish British?

Over the last few years various Cornish groups and individuals have been campaigning for the Cornish to be recognised for protection under the Council of Europe’s framework convention for the protection of national minorities. Such recognition would be a powerful tool to ensure correct treatment and protection of the Cornish national minority and its culture. The Commission for Racial Equality in its shadow report on the FCPNM produced on the 30th of March this year advised the government that the treaty could be extended to protect Cornish culture and also raised concerns about the lack of legal equality for minorities in the UK. (4) Recently the Council of Europe has also suggested that the FCPNM could be extended to include the Cornish. (5)

Over the last 3 centuries Cornwall has gone from being on the leading edge of the industrial revolution to being one of the poorest regions of Europe receiving objective one funding from the EU as a result. In the October 2001 Business Age Magazine Kevin Cahill, an author and investigative journalist for the Sunday Times, wrote about the economy of Cornwall. In the Killing of Cornwall, he notes that the London Treasury extracts £1.95 billion in taxes out of Cornwall's GDP of £3.6 billion. The Treasury returns less than £1.65 billion, so there is a net loss to Cornwall of 300 million pounds, where the total earnings figure is 24% below the national average, is this some form of negative Barnet Formula? (6) Low wages, unskilled Mac Jobs, poverty, social problems, and rocketing housing prices are the often hidden face of the optimistically named “English” Rivera. Coupled with this we have seen the centralisation of services, institutions and government (followed by the skilled jobs they entail) out of the Duchy much to the benefit of various undemocratic and faceless ‘South West of England’ quangos.

Cornwall Council's Feb 2003 MORI Poll showed 55% in favor of a democratically-elected, fully-devolved regional assembly for Cornwall, (this was an increase from 46% in favor in a 2002 poll). In 2000 The Cornish Constitutional Convention launched a campaign that resulted in a petition signed by 50,000 people calling for a fully devolved Cornish assembly. (7) The campaign generated support from across the political spectrum in Cornwall and to date has been the largest expression of popular support for devolution in the whole of the United Kingdom.

This officially sanctioned silence on the existence of a Cornish identity must stop. Why will the government not ask the Office of National Statistics to include a Cornish tick box on the 2011 census? The 'Life in the United Kingdom' handbook, required reading for all who wish to immigrate to the UK, quotes the census heavily when describing the regions and ethnic diversity of the UK. Why are the Cornish not mentioned once? Why has UK government so far blocked all attempts at ensuring the Cornish are recognised under the FCPNM and ignored the advice of the CRE and COE?

Why has the government failed to give the people of Cornwall the democratic referendum on greater autonomy and a devolved assembly that they have shown a demand for?

In fact whenever Cornish campaigners have asked about the above decisions, even using the Freedom of information act, the government has dragged its feet, ignored requests and even refused to release information, why?!

Is it me or are they really being less than open and transparent in their dealings with Cornwall and its aspirations. What is their problem? Perhaps the answer lies in out constitutional subsoil.

Even if the government, current Duchy authority and history curriculum in our Cornish schools are loathed to touch the subject, Cornwall has a distinct constitutional history as a Duchy with an autonomous parliamentary and legal system known as the Stannaries. If you ask about the constitutional nature of the Duchy, if you aren’t ignored, then they will tell you that the Duchy is “a well-managed private estate which funds the public, charitable and private activities of The Prince of Wales and his family. The Duchy consists of around 54,648 hectares of land in 23 counties, mostly in the South West of England”. (8) However this seems to fly in the face of the 19th century the legal arguments of Duchy officials, which defeated the UK Crown's aspirations of sovereignty over the Cornish foreshore.(9) The Duchy of Cornwall argued that the Duke has sovereignty of Cornwall and not the Crown. The Duchy authority argued that the Duke has sovereignty of Cornwall and not the Crown. On behalf of the Duchy in its successful action against the Crown, which resulted in the Cornwall Submarine Mines Act of 1858, Sir George Harrison (Attorney General for Cornwall) made this submission:

That Cornwall, like Wales, was at the time of the Conquest, and was subsequently treated in many respects as distinct from England.

That it was held by the Earls of Cornwall with the rights and prerogative of a County Palatine, as far as regarded the Seignory or territorial dominion.

That the Dukes of Cornwall have from the creation of the Duchy enjoyed the rights and prerogatives of a County Palatine, as far as regarded seignory or territorial dominion, and that to a great extent by Earls.

That when the Earldom was augmented into a Duchy, the circumstances attending to it's creation, as well as the language of the Duchy Charter, not only support and confirm natural presumption, that the new and higher title was to be accompanied with at least as great dignity, power, and prerogative as the Earls enjoyed, but also afforded evidence that the Duchy was to be invested with still more extensive rights and privileges.

The Duchy Charters have always been construed and treated, not merely by the Courts of Judicature, but also by the Legislature of the Country, as having vested in the Dukes of Cornwall the whole territorial interest and dominion of the Crown in and over the entire County of Cornwall.

It seems no coherent description of the Duchy is available. In the book "The Cornish Question" by Mark Sandford that was published by the Constitutional Unit, School of Public Policy, University College London in 2002 it states that - "The existence of the Duchy of Cornwall was once of constitutional significance, but is now essentially a commercial organization".(10) Considering that this commercial organization is the largest landowner in Cornwall and claims to be nothing but a private estate and company, you would think it reasonable to expect there to be an official date of change-over from an official body of constitutional significance into a purely private commercial organization.

The Cornish Stannaries are claimed as the property of the Duke of Cornwall by the Duchy charters. (11) The first of 1337 was published in 1978 as Statutes in Force, Constitutional law. The second and third Duchy of Cornwall charters of 1337 and 1338 give the Duke the powers of: “The King’s Writ and Summons of Exchequer” throughout Cornwall. These powers of the Duke of Cornwall represent the powers of government and they are certainly not what you would expect from a simple private landed estate something the Duchy often claims to be. By the Cornwall Submarine Mines Act 1858, the foreshore of Cornwall was awarded to the Duke as “part of the soil and territorial possessions of the Duchy of Cornwall”. (12) Please note that territorial possessions can not be private possessions as again the Duchy often likes to claim. Research reveals that the public spirited Crown Estate (www.thecrownestate.co.uk) provides cultural support and housing for the public everywhere in the U.K. except Cornwall. The Duchy of Cornwall is the analogous body in Cornwall but, in a departure from its historical role, it now claims to be a private estate with exemption from the Freedom of Information Act 2000, unlike the Crown Estate. A stratagem designed to deter investigation into Duchy history and Cornish history?

In the Cornwall Submarine Mines Act 1858 it states that the Duchy of Cornwall is a 'territorial possession' of Britain. So, sometime between 1858 and the present day, a territory of Britain transformed into a private commercial organisation, when, if at all, did this happen? A court case in 1828, A trial at Bar (Rowe v. Brenton) it was affirmed that everything connected with the Duchy is "of public interest", and "all the Kingdom should take notice". Quite rightly so considering the Duchy of Cornwall is a territory of Britain. Yet when Cornish MP Andrew George raised questions on the 16th June 1997 about the affairs of the Duchy he was told that there is an injunction in the House of Commons that prevents such questions being raised, how can this be? In The Annual Accounts of the Duchy of Cornwall 1998, it states that `- "Accounts are prepared in accordance with instructions issued by H.M. Treasury. The Duchy's primary function is to provide an income for present and future Dukes of Cornwall. The Duke is only entitled to the net income" This means the Treasury deals with the Duchy as if it were a government department. So how can the Duke of Cornwall be the owner of a private estate?

In my opinion these are questions that should be deemed important enough to be answered by someone in authority, whether that authority is a Government office or the Duchy of Cornwall, after all, claiming a national territory and making it your own private business is no small affair - on a par with opening the newspaper this morning to find out that Richard Branson suddenly owns Gibraltar as a private business concern - and then reading that it was once a UK protectorate but now it belongs to Virgin - as the only official explanation for the change over. An attempt has been made to separate the Duchy of Cornwall, which is not subject to English tax legislation, from the territory of Cornwall, the argument being that the Duchy has a separate existence to the geographical area of Cornwall and holds property outside the area. The argument is spurious and flies in the face of the Duchy case of 1856.

Well before the West Lothian was the Cornish question. Why has our sovereignty and constitutional status been gerrymandered and our mineral assets used just so that the English tax payer did not have to pay for the upkeep of the heir to the throne? In present day Cornwall it is easier to self-deceive than absorb the fact that the authorities have systematically lied and cheated in order to articulate circumstances which create the impression that the Cornish nation has only ever been an insignificant sub-division of some awe-inspiring, all-powerful, fully homogenous, fixed and eternal England. With the English education system encouraging English nationalism in Cornwall at the expense of the indigenous Cornish identity, the exploitation of Cornwall has been acceptable to the state while the absence from English law of the international right to an enforceable equality before the law has protected the Duchy authority from an effective legal challenge. The result is that the Duke of Cornwall’s fortune from Cornish assets continues to relieve England from paying, through taxation, for having an heir to the throne. Surely it is time the Duke and Duchy of Cornwall be made subject to equality before the law and the UK begin, after over six centuries, to pay for the maintenance of the heir to the throne. When the UK government and Duchy authority finally decide to be honest about the autonomous position of the Duchy of Cornwall within the UK legal system then an open debate about Cornish devolution and our future governance can begin.

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Lowena dhys

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Oct 8 2006 17:08

Being Spanish I totaly agree with you on your right to your own parliament and language. In spain as you must know every region is devolved.

Each region too foments the use of its own language. Though right wing nationalist argue that this is breaking up Spain and destroying its identity I have the opposite opinion, that by responding to tensions in society we are strengthening it and that it is imposible to destroy an identity which was never there. The stupid thing would be to force a Catalan to speak and feel spanish, as PP tried during Franco`s regime.

So fight on but be prepared to hear all kind of crap from Whitehall.

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Oct 12 2006 15:45

Yeah, i really am interested in the possibility of mixing anarchist philosophy with a love and respect for my culture, history and language.

Some Breton groups seem to be trying to do the same, eg:

Coordination Bretagne Indépendante et libertaire: http://www.cbil.lautre.net/

Breizh e Du: http://www.chez.com/duzodu/taolennbis.html

Amzer Du Breton Anarchist Forum: http://www.tempsnoirs.lautre.net/phpBB2/index.php

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Oct 15 2006 13:36

Which means?

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The European Nations and non-State Regions: http://www.eurominority.org/version/maps/map-nations.asp

The European native people and ethnic minorities in Europe: http://www.eurominority.org/version/maps/map-native-people-europe.asp

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cornubian wrote:
Which means?

i've no idea, but he's not fond of 'nations' as a concept (nor am i actually) so it's probably some kind of obscure and/or clever put-down ...

either that or he was pissed wink

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Oct 15 2006 20:32

I think it means he was holding it.

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Oct 15 2006 22:54
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Dydh da

Lowena dhys

what is this rubbish

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Oct 16 2006 04:00

Dydh da, since it was an introduction to the statement, is probably something along the lines of "Good day."

I, however, have no guesses as to what "Lowena dhys" means.

Edit: And just in case you weren't following, I'm guessing that he was speaking in Cornish.

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I think it means he was holding it.

ahh. good boy revol.

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makaira wrote:
Dydh da, since it was an introduction to the statement, is probably something along the lines of "Good day."

but considering it is obviously a silly made up language, why isn't it just spelt phonetically? Why must people abuse the alphabet so?

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Oct 16 2006 15:20

*sigh*

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Jun 22 2008 10:53

What a sad almost fascist contempt you show for non English cultures that share this Island with you.

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love and respect for my culture, history and language.

so culture and language are fixed entities that never change and is completely isolated? a proper reading of your own history will undoubtedly uncover the "dirty truths" behind all the white lies.

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love and respect for my culture, history and language.

so culture and language are fixed entities that never change and is completely isolated? a proper reading of your own history will undoubtedly uncover the "dirty truths" behind all the white lies.

Mmmm? No I didn't say that however society can be analysed horizontally in terms of territory as well as vertically in terms of class.

Of course Cornish culture has changed over time and will continue to do so (good thing to) but that doesn't mean we should ignore differences and hope for global cultural homogenisation where the culture of the powerful dominates all others.

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Jun 22 2008 22:31

The oppression that goes on in Cornwall is one of class. I'm sure there are rich people there, some Cornish, some not, but the problems faced by most of the people who live there - McJobs, housing, transport etc - are problems of class faced equally by people born in Cornwall and migrants.

Some degree of autonomy, which has been denied by the govt, may go some way to addressing the visible parts of it, but to be honest I doubt it would make much difference. If all you're interested in is having local people fuck you over on behalf of capitalism rather than it being done by remote people in London, fair enough, but I don't think you'll find a lot of positive responses here.

I take it from your use of Cornish that one of the 3 versions has been agreed upon? Apart from hobbyists and road signs, is it used anywhere at all? There are 300 fluent speakers, which is somewhat less than Klingon, so I suppose the growth in jobs in an autonomous Kernow would come from the numbers of translators required?

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I received a letter from my local health authority recently which was translated into 17 different languages, thus diverting cash from the core functions of the NHS. How many jobs does that create in London? It would seem the anarchist position on culture and ethnicity is, non- western culture good, western-culture bad. Which is equally bad as the BNP line.

I don't remember in the 70's and 80's any anarchists taking the piss out of Irish republicans when they finished meetings with a flurry of Irish. Although issue was certainly taken with political aspects of the war in the North.

No there is nothing wrong with Cornish" people" getting a greater sense of who they are, it isn't anarchism though.Mebyon Kernow are hardly going to start goose-stepping around Truro smashing up English people.But if anarchists are going to uncritically support aboriginal and indiginous groups throughout the world then the same applies here in Britain. Which is where the BNP come in. Well done nice middle class lefties, you played stright into the far-rights hands.The left has done so much to destroy the concept of class, in order to replace it with ethnicity and gender, that it is not surprising that people turn to the certanties of nationalism and religion, in the absence of solid class orientated libertarian alternantives.

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Jun 23 2008 16:25

Um,gwry, I think you may e preaching to the converted on this forum - apart of course from cornubian who started this thread.

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I have started a thread on a Cornish forum about Anarchist ideas and it was met with the usual stereotypical opinions and jokes: http://www.cornwall24.co.uk/module-pnForum-viewtopic-topic-3406.htm

Drop by and set people stright about what anarchist philosophy really is.

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that it is not surprising that people turn to the certanties of nationalism and religion, in the absence of solid class orientated libertarian alternantives.

That takes me back to my horiziontal / vertical approach ie for the best results have the same end goals for Indian and Cornish workers but adapt your methods for the terrain.

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Jun 24 2008 21:04

Why don't we all just learn Basic English and be done with it? Easier to learn than Esperanto! If there was something useful in Cornish, it's already been incorporated into English anyway. wink

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Why don't we all just learn Basic English and be done with it? Easier to learn than Esperanto! If there was something useful in Cornish, it's already been incorporated into English anyway. ;-)

Because the English language is a freak of nature. Most of its organization is really quite non sequitur.

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The stupid thing would be to force a Catalan to speak and feel spanish, as PP tried during Franco`s regime.

there's a big difference between protecting a minority culture/language, and trying to resurrect a long vanished one.

hardly anyone speaks Cornish. the people who do, do NOT speak it as a first language.

language evolves and changes for all sorts of historic reasons. if cornish had never gone away, i imagine most cornish people would be speaking english anyway. and the majority of cornish people would choose to speak english over their own 'native' language. it's only small vocal groups who want to make a corner of the country speak a different language to everyone else. exactly how is such an artificially created division in society going to be of great help or need?

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hardly anyone speaks Cornish. the people who do, do NOT speak it as a first language

Oh font of all wisdom I think I should point out that a number of families are Cornish speaking in the house and there is talk afoot of creating a bilingual school.

Don't confuse your latent Anglo-supremacist dreams with the truth.

If you want to here our growing Cornish speaking community using the language try this link; Radyo an Gernewegva: http://www.radyo.kernewegva.com/

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it's only small vocal groups who want to make a corner of the country speak a different language to everyone else

No there are just people who learn and speak Cornish and our numbers are growing. It's a free choice and we force nothing on anybody.

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Just to restate that I support your vision of the ultimate decentralisation and empowerment of the people. The modern 'nation states' and multinational empires where created by first an amalgamation of local communities into feudal entities that where then grouped into larger and larger bodies. Why not take the same route but in reverse?

A forum that includes anarcho-independentists can be found here: http://fpl.forumactif.com/index.htm

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There’s been a lot of fuss in the last few years about attempt to merge nationalism and Anarchism, specifically third-positionist / post-fascist nationalism and anarchism. Groups that advocate such a move are a fringe of a fringe of a fringe, to say the least, but they’ve got their own wikipedia entries nowadays and at least a few websites. Calling themselves “National Anarchists” they advocate what is essentially an anarchist political system (radically decentralized and local with no central state) but generally hold onto private ownership of land and advocate monoculture communities based on “voluntary” racial and ethnic segregation in the name of “biodiversity;” one of the scariest examples I can think of of evil bastards appropriating rhetoric and using it to mean something totally opposite of what it actually means. Scary shit. I’m not going to link to any of their websites because, frankly, I don’t want to send them any traffic. But if you’re really interested just google ‘national anarchism’ and prepare to be horrified.

Now as I write this I can hear some of you out there in Internet land scratching your heads and saying to yourselves “but Lynx! Isn’t CelticAnarchy.org essentially the same thing - just another attempt to fuse nationalism and anarchism?”

My answer is: “not even close.”

Here’s the thing, the key differences between the politics of these post-fascist creeps and the folks (including myself) who came together to start CelticAnarchy.org:

First of all we are totally opposed to the concept of Race itself, let alone Racism which seeks to use the fiction of Race to separate people. If anything, our perspective is that as colonized peoples who are still grappling with the implications of hundreds of years of imperialism, we have a natural affinity to other oppressed peoples around the world and a responsibility to stand up for ourselves and for them and oppose racism and white supremacy anywhere and everywhere they manifest themselves.

Secondly, we are not nationalists, never have been, never will be. The key defining feature of Nationalism is the belief that in one way or another the Nation - that is to say the ethno//cultural//linguistic group - should be the primary political unit in society. So-called National-Anarchists want to do that by creating a ‘nation’ composed of racially and culturally homogeneous communities; destroying the diverse and explosively creative fusion of cultures that is the basis of everything from Appalachian music to Jazz to Hip Hop (and a lot of other things too… I’m a musician so music examples are the first to spring to mind but there are many others). Personally, I can think of very few things that would be worse for humanity - cultures have always blended, fusion is a fact of life, and the interchange between cultures is an essential ingredient in any recipe for real peace on a global scale. Learning to see the world through others eyes is the first step towards any meaningful understanding between peoples. and with thousands of cultures on one small planet we simply cannot afford to not understand each other.

One of the only things, in fact, that I can think of that would be as bad as (probably not worse, but equally horrific) then the National-Anarchist vision is the traditional anarchocommunists line, dating from Kropotkin on, that nations should be destroyed entirely right along with States and be supplanted by a single global culture, a single global language. While this view may have (thankfully) become a minority one within the global anarchist movement in the last fifty years, it was not so long ago that Anarchists in China were busily setting up Esperanza schools and preaching for a global monoculture. Little wonder then that when push came to shove China’s stateless nations threw their support behind the Maoists who (early on at least) promised them full cultural autonomy within a communist China rather then the Chinese Anarchists who -despite all of the beautiful organizing work they did - promised to consign the unique languages and customs of the national minorities to the “dustbin of history”, right alongside Capitalism and the State. The Tibetans - and many others with less charismatic representatives on the world stage - have learned the hard way that Marxist vanguards can’t be trusted to keep promises made to coalition partners. But the fact remains that when push came to shove anarchists offered a global monoculture and China’s ethnic minorities said “no thanks.” China is hardly an isolated example either, it just happens to be the one that I’ve done the most reading on. That should tell us something. Just as it should tell us something that our strongest successes as a movement have come in times and places where Anarchist revolution became the vehicle for stateless nations seeking independence and freedom to be themselves without the tyranny of State power - Catalonia, the Ukraine, Bavaria, and (to a lesser degree) places like Mexico and Poland. History is very clear on this.

The cold hard fact is that the Nation-State is a myth. And not a myth in the Joseph Cambell “power of myth” sense, but in the same sense that santa clause and the tooth fairy are myths. As my good friend Roger White points out in his excellent pamphlet Post Colonial Anarchism, there are less then a dozen true “nation-states” on the world stage - that is places where the territory claimed by the state exactly corresponds to a Nation. The vast majority of the 5,000 or so Nations on this planet are stateless nations - peoples whose language, culture, and identity are constantly suppressed by the languages, cultures, and traditions of the dominant group within whatever State claims their land. Nationalists within these various stateless nations want to “solve” this problem by breaking up existing States and replacing them with their own new States - a process that is typically violent and often results in massive population shifts as people who are suddenly minorities flee to escape the newly created state. And, for all that violence and bloodshed, nothing gets solved. Because even in places like Kosovo where 90% of the population of a newly minted State are members of the same ethnic Nation, you’ve still got 10% who are not and who are dramatically disenfranchised by the enfranchisement of others. State power is, after all, a Zero-sum game. The security of any State is predicated on the insecurity of others. In a Stateist system in order for the Albanians to exercise their fundamental right to self-determination they must deny that right to the Serbs, Roma, and others with whom they share their country. And I’m sorry, but that’s just not good enough.

So what do we propose?

Speaking personally, I see Anarchism as the solution. Not the bogus “national anarchism” of the far-right that seeks to appropriate our rhetoric and then stain it with their hatred nor the universalist global-monoculture anarchism of traditional anarchocommunism. I’m looking for an anarchism where all states are abolished, where communities are self-governing at the local level, and where ties of mutual aid and solidarity bind together a global community of communities based on diversity and mutual respect. An anarchism where the Kosovars and Serbs can both speak their own languages and practice their own religions without either needing to disenfranchise the other to make that happen. Where all the thousands of small local languages, from Irish to Scots Gaelic to Euskera to Lakota that are currently being pushed into extinction are revived and can once again become the primary languages of the local communities that have kept them alive despite all odds, and where their futures are safe because local languages make sense in a political system and an economy based on local control. An Anarchism that recognizes that Nations exist and makes no attempt to suppress them but at the same time doesn’t bow to the demands of extremists for supremacy over their neighbors. An anarchism where State borders and boundaries that currently forcibly separate people are erased but where no Nation ever again has the ability - or even a real motive - to move in and wipe out another, and where attempts by larger ethno-linguistic groups to repress the rights of minorities to be themselves are met with swift fury and withdrawals of mutual aid and support from everyone else in the global community of communities. An Anarchism where diversity and mutual respect are the norm - not just empty cliches in the mouths of liberals who see nothing wrong with imposing their own values on everyone else around them.

Celtic Anarchy: http://celticanarchy.org/

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Jun 29 2008 09:38

Oh come on leave the guy alone, I think it's rather quaint. Kinda like battle re-enactment or morris dancing.

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Oh come on leave the guy alone, I think it's rather quaint. Kinda like battle re-enactment or morris dancing.

Says the spotty teenager who, when he grows up will, like most anarchists I've ever met, follow his dad into the business. Sheash I think I'm probably the only one here from a working class family.

If you think trying to take power down to the people and protect cultural diversity are like 'battle re-enactment' then you are not ready yet to debate with me.

Some thoughts from some Breton Anarchists: http://www.cbil.lautre.net/01_plateforme/plateforme_gb.htm

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Due to their specific culture, their History, their languages, their feeling of common belonging, Bretons indeed are a people. Every people has a right to exist as such. We are therefore for independence of Brittany, in order to take our future in hand, to develop our languages and our culture and to repair the damage done by French colonialism : loss of our culture, of our languages, total dependence to the state… We want to be actors and actresses of our own History.

France as it is presented to us does not exist. Its national conception eclipses our identity, in spite of the principles it is supposed to be based on. It is a political project leading to standardisation, subservience of peoples and centralisation of competencies. In Brittany and elsewhere, the French state has always behaved as a colonialist state :

- economically (fisheries management, agriculture, industries, …)

- socially (job centres, unemployed people forced to accept unfair contracts under the threat of cutting off of their unemployment benefit,…)

- politically (centralisation of power and decision-making structures in Paris, without local consultation,…)

- as regards military affairs (JAPD, planned repartition of occupation forces, …)

-as well as in all other fields (energy sources and production, education, …).

We are internationalists

… and therefore we stand by other struggling (either socially or for national liberation) peoples and are conscious that fighting for an anarchist Brittany can only be conceived in the framework of a battle fought at world level. With this aim, the Breton fight constitutes a spark which can induce others, in particular as regards emancipation struggles which are a potential pool for radical social changes.

As regards languages, the Breton people as a whole, due to the French language-killing and standardising policy, now speaks French. We are therefore not against the French language, but Breton and Gallo now must take again the place they lost in society, education, the media,.. We are in favour of a multilingual society, in which all languages brought here by immigration will have their place, without exclusion.

Anarchists

Our struggle is in the continuity of the social emancipation movement born with the Industrial Revolution. For us, national liberation cannot be achieved without a collective and individual liberation. Nevertheless, we do not favour any struggle more than another.

The state, in spite of what it pretends, is a tool that works inevitably against peoples and individuals.

Taking care of one’s affairs means not leaving anyone else (elected people, cops, prefects, ..) decide in our place. Whether for social, economy, international relations, ecology…or for everyday life in which laws are repressive tools which prevent the individual from deciding what is good for him / her. We are therefore in favour of a functioning which starts from the people : village, commune, group, country assemblies, which make it possible for every individual can express him / herself and for every idea to be debated with all to reach a consensus, in order to take everybody’s interests into account.

So far, all models which were imposed on us failed (capitalism, Eastern socialism, electoral democracies, …). It is consequently time to imagine and build a new society on human, collective, non-speculative and non-authoritarian bases.

An anarchist Brittany is resolutely against capitalism, authoritarianism and fascism. Because the law of markets is only beneficial to a handful of individuals who exploit the rest of the population and natural resources, we are against all forms of patronat and for the re-appropriation of production tools by those who try to set up self management and produce only what is necessary. Let’s break the productivist logic, which only aim is profit !The cultural standardisation of people answers the needs for standardisation and control of consumption of exploiters. This logic leads to intolerance.

For us, independence means opening towards the others. We won’t erect frontiers and reject the other. Brittany is multiple and multicultural and we are conscious that it is through this cultural diversity that peoples go forward. We stand against every form of chauvinism. Be Breton does not mean being born in Brittany or bearing a Breton name. Be Breton can mean choosing to participate in Breton collective life, in initiatives and decisions, being present in the assemblies.

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Jun 30 2008 16:41
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Says the spotty teenager who, when he grows up will, like most anarchists I've ever met, follow his dad into the business. Sheash I think I'm probably the only one here from a working class family.

Working clarse family you mean.

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Jun 30 2008 19:18

im more working class than you ya cornish cunt!!!

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Jun 30 2008 20:58
cornubian wrote:
Says the spotty teenager who, when he grows up will, like most anarchists I've ever met, follow his dad into the business. Sheash I think I'm probably the only one here from a working class family.

If you think trying to take power down to the people and protect cultural diversity are like 'battle re-enactment' then you are not ready yet to debate with me.

I wasn't debating with you I was taking the Michael.
And cheers for calling me a spotty teenager, that was almost like being asked for ID to buy beer. smile

Listen I don't think anyone here has a problem with folk wanting to talk a dead language but this obsession with 'Cornish-ness' or 'welsh-ness' or whatever has at best nothing to offer the working class and at worst serves as a tool to divide the class. Now I've lived all over these islands and whilst it is nice to experience the slightly different ways people interact with one another and mild differences in speech I still have more in common with someone off an estate in Doncaster or Glasgow than I do with someone from the upper or middle class who just so happens to have the same silly accent as me.
And being as the spotty teenager remark was supposed to be insult.
'ch fam has hystlen ag asynnod

Hugs and kisses the apostate Celt

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Jul 2 2008 13:35
cornubian wrote:
What a sad almost fascist contempt you show for non English cultures that share this Island with you.

can you explain it though? can you actually tell me why you have adopted the (european?) alphabet only to turn any purpose of doing so on its head by putting all the consonants together?

this is how you spell hello in arabic, an actual language with its own alphabet:

Salaam Alekum

you know how it sounds?

its sounds like

Salaam Alekum

cos they spell it phonetically when using this alphabet. European languages do too, with some slight regional variance. So whats so specail about you?