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Apr 6 2006 23:37
picket at brixton police station

PICKET OUTSIDE BRIXTON POLICE STATION

367 Brixton Road, SW9

TUESDAY APRIL 11TH

5.30 – 8.00pm

To Remember Ricky Bishop

On 22nd November 2001, 25 year old father of one, Ricky Bishop was a passenger in a car that was stopped by Brixton Police during 'Operation Clean Sweep'. According to a Scotland Yard Press release, Mr Bishop 'was detained not arrested'. Several policemen beat him severely at Brixton Police station before taking him to King's college Hospital, where he died not long after.

If Ricky Bishop had lived, he would be 30 years old on Tuesday April 11th. He would be with his family & friends whilst pursuing the one

thing he loved body building.His family and friends lost a son,

brother, father, companion and friend at the hands of the British Police.

Since 1969, when David Oluwale of Leeds died as a result of police violence, over the past 30 years 1,000 deaths have occurred in Police custody (a figure given by the Guardian 2001).

Join the picket on April 11th remember Ricky Bishop and all others killed by the British Police.

April 11th is coincidentally the 25th anniversary of the April 1981 Brixton Riot – just to remind people what happens when the cops push people too far!

Please spread the word and support the Picket.

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Apr 6 2006 23:47

Hi who is this organised by?

keely
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Apr 8 2006 17:01

This is what the source of my original info says:

'I think the picket is being organised by a black group called African Defence Against Police Terror... which seems to be linked to something called the International People's Democratic Uhuru Movement. I don't know owt more about them but the leaflet I had seemed to imply a link to Ricky Bishop's family... Sorry I can't be more helpful. I just thought I'd pass it on as it seemed like a good cause! They may be Black Nationalists or separatists, I really don't know - although I was handed a leaflet about it on another demo, and I'm white... I didn't put their address on the email i sent out as i wanted to add that line about the Brixton Riot, which i wasn't sure if they would agree with.'

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Apr 8 2006 20:05

A member of the family spoke (i think)at the Justice for Nuur Saeed demo in Plumstead( there were a few other family campaigns there in solidarity, so i could be confused ). the e-mail i recieved seem to be from the family campaign. Should be there on Tuesday.

The demo in Plumstead was pretty good about 120 people and only a small smattering of respect/soc par. Only a handful of circle A s though.

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Apr 8 2006 23:25
keely wrote:
something called the International People's Democratic Uhuru Movement

http://inpdum.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uhuru_Movement

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Apr 9 2006 01:51

I've seen Uhuru posters around my area and they are separatists and racists. I was sent an email about this picket by a decent circle A

Glad I didn't go now.

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Apr 9 2006 02:05
Jef Costello wrote:
I've seen Uhuru posters around my area and they are separatists and racists. I was sent an email about this picket by a decent circle A

Did you read the fuckin Wiki link?? "Uhuru" simply means "freedom" in Swahali. It's a symbolic term used by all sorts of movements with all sorts of different agendas. Get your facts straight.

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Apr 9 2006 02:39
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:
Jef Costello wrote:
I've seen Uhuru posters around my area and they are separatists and racists. I was sent an email about this picket by a decent circle A

Did you read the fuckin Wiki link?? "Uhuru" simply means "freedom" in Swahali. It's a symbolic term used by all sorts of movements with all sorts of different agendas. Get your facts straight.

It is used by a seperatist racist group that has posted in my area.

I'm sure reading a link on the internet gives you a far better idea of what's going on than actually coming into contact with their material. Cock.

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Apr 9 2006 11:50

Alan - why dont u read the weblinks before coming out all aggressive at jef?

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The Uhuru Movement is a group of organizations who are fighting for the Afro-American people's rights. The group is led by the African People's Socialist Party,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uhuru_Movement

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The African People's Socialist Party is a political party in the United States founded on an ideology combining Black Nationalism and Socialism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_People%27s_Socialist_Party

Knobchops roll eyes

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Apr 9 2006 13:38

Fair enough, but if Jef meant the Uhuru Movement or the INPDUM, he should say that instead of just saying "Uhuru", which is about as specified a term as "comrade" or "Islamist".

Sorry if I came off aggressive. It was 4am and I was coming off a 30 hour drinking session. I think RKN's "knobchops" was largely uncalled for, but I'm a big boy and can take it.

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Apr 9 2006 13:59
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:
Fair enough, but if Jef meant the Uhuru Movement or the INPDUM, he should say that instead of just saying "Uhuru", which is about as specified a term as "comrade" or "Islamist".

Sorry if I came off aggressive. It was 4am and I was coming off a 30 hour drinking session. I think RKN's "knobchops" was largely uncalled for, but I'm a big boy and can take it.

Alan, you yourself had already mentioned the INPDUM, as had Keely. Keely had already suggested that they were seperatists.

I said uhuru because that was the name used on the posters that I saw.

I would also like to repeat that I made a comment on a poster I had seen in real life. I should have also mentioned that the poster was also about black deaths in police custody. The "solutions" advocated were, as I have said, racist and seperatist. Because there was a suggestion of seperatism and because it was about black deaths at the hands of the police I made the connection which seems to have been correct.

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Apr 9 2006 14:06
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:
I think RKN's "knobchops" was largely uncalled for, but I'm a big boy and can take it.

I might have been talking about them tho eh?

Unless you commonly identify with being called knobcops tongue

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Apr 9 2006 14:11
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Unless you commonly identify with being called knobcops tongue

On here I do. smile

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Apr 10 2006 09:05

Uhuru - that's the group Dead Prez are in. Only time I've seen Uhuru people was at one of their gigs in London when group of about 12-15 of them were all at the front.

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Apr 10 2006 09:23
keely wrote:
over the past 30 years 1,000 deaths have occurred in Police custody (a figure given by the Guardian 2001)

i keep hearing that figure - it works out as 1.56 deaths a week eek

i.e.

(52 x 30)

1000

= 1.56

OK, statistically some will involve no foul play but no smoke without fire and all that, we probably all know how violent a 'standard' arrest can be even of someone non-violent and sober.

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Apr 10 2006 09:38

yeah, as resident street medic (go me 8) ), i would say a few things about deaths in police custody:

- the majority are from head/neck injuries. a lot of the time, police arrets people for being drunk and disorderly when in fact they've received a heavy trauma to particular vulnerable parts of the head which the police have failed to notice. now, pretty much the worst thing you can do for someone with heavy concussion is lock them up over night because they will be very drowsy and you really have to keep them awake and as fully conscious as possible. thus when they fall asleep they pretty much conk out from swelling/bleeding on the brain, go into shock and die in their sleep

- on the other hand, there have been similar instances when people have been forcefully arrested for something else and have taken a knock to the head from the police, with similar results to above.

- also, there are similar problems with the neck. if people have taken a knock to the head, often the neck and the top of the spine get broken without anyone noticing (not even the victim) for a long time. so if they go to sleep, they might lie or roll awkwardly and the shards of spine will just cut through the spinal nerve and kill them that way from failure of organs (usually lungs). again, this will happen when they are asleep and no-one really notices until the morning.

so a lot of deaths in police custody aren't necessarily due to cops giving them a kicking (although, from above examples you can see how that might happen), but more from medical neglect and irreverence to proper procedures

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Apr 10 2006 09:47
ftony wrote:
so a lot of deaths in police custody aren't necessarily due to cops giving them a kicking (although, from above examples you can see how that might happen), but more from medical neglect and irreverence to proper procedures

thats kind of what i thought, i mean when i get arrested i'm not particularly worrried i'll get a beating, but then again i'm white, and i don't know if that makes any difference to the (percieved) risk. Either way the cops here seem more restrained than in many other countries, not least because they learned the inflammible way what happens when they take the piss, as per the comment on the Brixton Riots.

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Apr 10 2006 09:57
Joseph K. wrote:
keely wrote:
over the past 30 years 1,000 deaths have occurred in Police custody (a figure given by the Guardian 2001)

i keep hearing that figure - it works out as 1.56 deaths a week eek

Actually it works out at 0.64 per week.

But I don't the actual number of people arrested each week, but it's got to be shitloads. Bear in mind the overall death rate is 1% per year anyway, and a lot of people in custody will be drunk or on drugs anyway and the actual figure is not that high.

For example, if my maths is right, for death rates to be the same in a cell as in general society there'd have to be only 3,300 arrests per year - and there have got to be loads more than that, so death rates in cells are lower than outside. But then the people involved will mostly be much younger, so that's not that relevant...

I'd like to know how many of those deaths were actually due to mistreatment or neglect...

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Apr 10 2006 09:59

oh no i wasn't trying to refute what people have said, i just thought i'd just pass on a bit of information as to actually how it happens a lot of the time

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Apr 10 2006 10:04
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I'd like to know how many of those deaths were actually due to mistreatment or neglect...

as i said, not many of them are due to actual proper mistreatment, more to do with either neglect, or at least not being able to see the signs of medical need

someone can look/act drunk but actually they are concussed. it's hard on a saturday night to know which is which, especially when the person has been drinking anyway, but there are ways of finding out that aren't too hard, even coppers can learn them

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Apr 10 2006 10:13
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and a lot of people in custody will be drunk or on drugs anyway and the actual figure is not that high.

John thats a shit arguement - if they are that fucked they should be in hospital not in a police cell.

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Apr 10 2006 10:34
John. wrote:
Joseph K. wrote:
keely wrote:
over the past 30 years 1,000 deaths have occurred in Police custody (a figure given by the Guardian 2001)

i keep hearing that figure - it works out as 1.56 deaths a week eek

Actually it works out at 0.64 per week.

But I don't the actual number of people arrested each week, but it's got to be shitloads. Bear in mind the overall death rate is 1% per year anyway, and a lot of people in custody will be drunk or on drugs anyway and the actual figure is not that high.

For example, if my maths is right, for death rates to be the same in a cell as in general society there'd have to be only 3,300 arrests per year - and there have got to be loads more than that, so death rates in cells are lower than outside. But then the people involved will mostly be much younger, so that's not that relevant...

I'd like to know how many of those deaths were actually due to mistreatment or neglect...

how 0.64? 52 weeks x 30 years / 1000 deaths = 1.56

but anyhow, people are only in custody, generally speaking for <24 hours. To compare to general mortality you'd have to compare total deaths in custody / total man-hours in custody with total deaths in society minus in custody / total man-hours in society minus those in custody.

I think confused

You'd also want to look at a the specific ages/groups in question, i.e. what's the chance of a male 18-30 dying in a given 24 hours in Brixton vs in Brixton custody. But anyhow, i agree its not that high, it is obviously too high however, and if simple training in spotting injuries etc could save loads of lives theres no excuse really. Doesn't stop 6 coppers kneeling on people until they stop breathing though, but fortunately thats rare.

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Apr 10 2006 11:03
Joseph K. wrote:
how 0.64? 52 weeks x 30 years / 1000 deaths = 1.56

Nope you're dividing the wrong way round - you're working out the average number of weeks between deaths. To work out deaths per week you need to divide number of deaths by the number of weeks

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but anyhow, people are only in custody, generally speaking for <24 hours. To compare to general mortality you'd have to compare total deaths in custody / total man-hours in custody with total deaths in society minus in custody / total man-hours in society minus those in custody.

I was assuming an average of 24. If you assume say 8 then the figures you just multiply by 3, which still leaves much lower mortality than outside. But as you say the age is the key thing

Of course it's bad people dying, but loads of lefties/anarchist shout about "1,000 murders in police custody", which is just ridiculous.