Bash the Rich - Class War - November '07

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Bash the Rich - Class War - November '07

What do people think of the event? Will you go?

[b]Class War Site

http://www.londonclasswar.org/newswire_nov.php

Article about it in the Pandora column in The Independent.

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/pandora/article2510875.ece

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May 21 2007 14:53

Is this not a tactic that was vaguely succesful in the 80s?

From wikipedia;

Inspired by the Stop the City actions of 1983 and 1984, Class War organised a number of Bash The Rich demonstrations, in which supporters were invited to march through and disrupt wealthier areas of London such as Kensington, and Henley-on-Thames (during the annual Regatta), bearing banners and placards with slogans such as "Behold your future executioners!" (a phrase coined by the anarchist Lucy Parsons).

A third Bash The Rich event, scheduled to march through Hampstead in 1985, was largely prevented by a heavy police presence, and was acknowledged by Class War to have been a failure. This event is seen as many as a major setback for the group, and many members left to form other groups or drifted away

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May 21 2007 15:11

hmm, i don't know. on paper it looks great fun, but i fear the peelers will make things pretty uncomfortable and it could end up being another Sack Parliament. i still don't know if i'm going to go to this.

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May 21 2007 16:02

Let's face it the met are pretty good at policing demos these days. There isn't a chance in hell of this getting anyway near Cameron's house and even if it did, what's the point?

Does it build resistance in a workplace, community or is it just harking back to the 'glory days' of the 1980's?

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May 21 2007 17:20

Glory days I'd imagine. I'm going to try and make it. In fact as a Class War veteran, I'm going to feel guilty if I don’t.

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May 21 2007 17:45

Ha ha. Sorry for posting again so soon...

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I think "Class Pride" sounds a bit weird, although I don’t question the advocacy of the point. And I think “Class Unity” should be removed too, it sounds too lefty.

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This kind of thing is along the right lines of what Class War should be doing, it should be building a popular culture of hatred against Cameron and in an age when the left are attacking Blair (who doesn’t) I think it is masterful to go after the Tories who have been allowed to get away lately. We should be getting ready for Sarko style rioting when Cameron looks likely to get in.

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Does it build resistance in a workplace, community or is it just harking back to the 'glory days' of the 1980's?

It might if everyone takes a positive approach and doesn’t allow it to end up with the usual, which in the end is what “killed” this approach last time round. The thing is, are the consequences we’re used to an inevitable outcome of these methods?

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May 21 2007 18:17

"building a popular culture of hatred" - that sounds more like it. cool

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May 21 2007 18:27

I saw a sticker or something for this the other day. I almost pissed myself laughing.

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May 21 2007 19:13

Did people read this snippet

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Bone and the Cameroons have history: in December, after a heated TV debate, Bone apparently bloodied the nose of an aide to frontbencher Ed Vaizey.

In Bone's words: "Vaizey had a couple of inbreds with him... As I was leaving someone tried to thump me. I couldn't swear it was Vaizey's minder but I managed to nut him on the nose." Perhaps Vaizey's boys will go to the mattresses this time.

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May 21 2007 19:49

Seems Alien to say it, but I actually agree with Lazy Riser on this one. I despise the fact the Tories have gotten off so lightly recently and I think taking the wrong attitude towards it is bound to trip it before it starts, but "Think Positive" sounds a little too new-agey to use.
And "popular culture of hatred" sounds very appealing.

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May 21 2007 19:51

I think it's ace that Bone and CW are working together again.

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"building a popular culture of hatred" - that sounds more like it.

Well. That's what it's all about, not all this communist love-they-neighbour shit. We must jostle the bourgeoisie as they pass in the street. They must look into our eyes and know fear. We have no demands to make of them, our banners simply read “behold your executioners”.

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"Think Positive" sounds a little too new-agey to use.

Oh fuck me. It isn't to be used. Christ, you'll have a Samba band there next. Besides I mean a positive approach in the creative-historical sense of Castoriadis not in the "Think Positive" sense of neo-Fabianism.

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May 21 2007 22:10
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I think it's ace that Bone and CW are working together again.
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"building a popular culture of hatred" - that sounds more like it.

Well. That's what it's all about, not all this communist love-they-neighbour shit. We must jostle the bourgeoisie as they pass in the street. They must look into our eyes and know fear. We have no demands to make of them, our banners simply read “behold your executioners”.

Surely by the standards employed by the group you love to claim association with, you are bourgeois?

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Surely by the standards employed by the group you love to claim association with, you are bourgeois?

More of an aristo playboy. You should write a letter to your local paper and complain, "surely".

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May 22 2007 09:38

Sounds cool, see you all there!

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May 22 2007 10:09

i take it that LR's posts on this thread are a joke, like all his others?

Are you seriously saying you of all people support this idea?

Tho i'm seen as something of a CW supporter here purely by the fact that i don't revel in their mistakes, i have to say i think this new BTR march is mental. I quite like the idea of it in some ways, but the logistics don't bare thinking about. Even in hampstead 85 the crowd were mostly anarchopunks - where are they going to get the people for this now? You need over a thousand just to leave the assembly point.
CW don't have the profile and momentum they did then - and even then BTR hampstead ended in failure; it never left the starting point.

Furthermore this has had a pretty low profile - the first i heard of it was a flier someone brought back from mayday this year - events of this size take a long time to network and organise and i think it would have needed to start in earnest months before now.

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May 22 2007 10:15
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Sounds cool, see you all there!

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May 22 2007 10:19
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Did people read this snippet
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Bone and the Cameroons have history: in December, after a heated TV debate, Bone apparently bloodied the nose of an aide to frontbencher Ed Vaizey.

In Bone's words: "Vaizey had a couple of inbreds with him... As I was leaving someone tried to thump me. I couldn't swear it was Vaizey's minder but I managed to nut him on the nose." Perhaps Vaizey's boys will go to the mattresses this time.

a side point - have class warriors considered that some day the leaders of the parties may well be from 'working class' stock, not eaton and harrow? And that perhaps class is *gasp* not genetic?!

Maybe i'm just being crazy here, i dunno.

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May 22 2007 10:53

1. Unlikely unless the working class becomes powerful enough that it can overcome generations of entryism, cronyism and consolidation of such positions to put in its own people (and at that point, why bother?).
2. So what if it’s not genetic? This isn’t a tactic for itself to ridicule toff control of parliament and somehow replace them with working class scions, it’s a tactic designed to point to the gulf between what rulers would like us to think about them and what they actually are. Cameron glories in being an everyman, so does Blair, so they’re lying and calling them on it is an excellent plan. If a working class person takes power then you simply find other ways to take the piss.

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May 22 2007 11:08
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Oh fuck me. It isn't to be used. Christ, you'll have a Samba band there next.

Don't tempt us twisted twisted twisted twisted

Nice to see CW doing something again, especially something that probably wont make people react in the form of a 9 page thread on libcom (i hope so for the life of us)

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May 22 2007 11:14
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class is *gasp* not genetic?!

It is though. Obviously. I mean people of similar social class tend to select each other for breeding, to say otherwise is silly. Tacks and Revol - my posts only seem like jokes because they remind you of how ridiculous you are. This is accidental on my part, nevertheless I apologise – though I will remind you both, ridicule is nothing to be scared of.

Now, no doubt this current stunt will end in the usual disaster. In the past such debacles sent CW’s message to outposts up and down the country, young people outside of the big city student populations were exposed to politics in way that the current crop of pasty faced train-spotters that pass for anarchists nowadays can only dream of. I don’t know if it’ll pay off, but I’m fucked if I’m going to join in with the chorus of clucking hens picking holes in CW’s approach. For a start, Ian should be more worried if forum dwellers thought it was a “great idea”, talk about the kiss of death.

One other thing, the criticism of CW almost sort of assumes that CW comes from a vaguely similar ideological position or tradition those doing the finger-wagging and head-shaking. This is not the case.

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May 22 2007 11:30
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seriously cop a fuckig clue Saii all shit like this does is to obscure the real nature of capitalism.

No it doesn't, and even if it did it would hardly be a problem. The "real nature" of capitalism (if it can be said to exist at all) is exposed in the every-day, not in some lefty analysis of it.

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May 22 2007 11:33
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Sounds cool, see you all there!

grin

At home we've got this book, the first 10 years of class war I think it's called. In it is a photo sequence of two class war people attacking a "yuppie" (read: man in a suit) by punching him in the face with a condom filled with human shit.

At least they're not trying to re-enact that...

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May 22 2007 11:36

No it doesn’t, it makes fun of the people in charge. Simply because something doesn’t tag on a ‘but really, all politicians do is attempt to maintain their own power base within a structure which prohibits major deviations from the agenda of international capital concerns’ doesn’t make it useless as an attempt to foster greater class cohesion.

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May 22 2007 11:38
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1. Unlikely unless the working class becomes powerful enough that it can overcome generations of entryism, cronyism and consolidation of such positions to put in its own people (and at that point, why bother?).

um gordon brown? Dad was a small time local priest in an industrial scottish village i think.

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2. So what if it’s not genetic? This isn’t a tactic for itself to ridicule toff control of parliament and somehow replace them with working class scions, it’s a tactic designed to point to the gulf between what rulers would like us to think about them and what they actually are. Cameron glories in being an everyman, so does Blair, so they’re lying and calling them on it is an excellent plan. If a working class person takes power then you simply find other ways to take the piss.

i take some of your point, and agree that its always good to be good at ridicule; but this is from a group which basically work on class as a rigid thing, almost heriditary - and they have no other card to play apart from their 'toff trumps'. Engendering hatred of the very top of overt, open power - the government - is not the same as getting people angry about day to day class issues.

If it came from another group it would be quite funny and different, but this is a resurrection of the 80's because luckily for the organisers, once again we actually have a ruddy cheeked aristo in the limelight. Blair was one too, but his cabinet was not.

I can't believe i'm having this discussion tbh!

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If a working class person takes power then you simply find other ways to take the piss.

i'd prefer it if that was "If a person from a working class background takes power ". I don't really see how an MP or PM could stay working class in any meaningful way (i don't use cultural class terminology).

LR - fuckit pal, i have no idea - i just guess you are way beyond my level of inteligence and i'll never get you, hope thats fine with you. Its seemed odd that in a sea of your 'that'll never work' and 'you've already lost' posts, you would actually support this of all things.

On the one bit that i do get - yes people marry and breed with ppl they are more likely to meet; but class is not therefore genetic. Again, Gordon Brown, potential PM etc.

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Its seemed odd that in a sea of your 'that'll never work' and 'you've already lost' posts, you would actually support this of all things.

It's the difference between "We demand you stop the war" and "We're gonna get you toff bastards".

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Again, Gordon Brown, potential PM etc.

Jesus, his father was a Church of Scotland minister, typical middle class background from which Labour politicians are drawn. Having said that I like GB, and Ed Ball too. Don't like Prescott though, although it feels cruel to do so due to his disability.

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At home we've got this book, the first 10 years of class war I think it's called. In it is a photo sequence of two class war people attacking a "yuppie" (read: man in a suit) by punching him in the face with a condom filled with human shit.

Why havent you scanned this yet?!?!?!

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CW’s message to outposts up and down the country

In all seriousness, what was it?

Having read Bash the Rich, countless personal accounts, and copies of CW i'd say the basic message was 'have a pop at these cunts' and so the BTR marches were not only a message but the very height of the groups politics.

The best thing CW can be praised for is keeping an image of anarchism as confrontational and class based alive, as well as introducing people who would have probably been more into pacificism and veganism to class.

What people could take from CW is their confidence and attitude, but not perhaps their loose ideas.

Beyond that tho, the main aim seems to have been keep levels of aggro high and build fo the One Big Riot that will Bring It All Down. An aim and theory i do not agree with.

I've always said that at the highest points of CW when they were looking for longevity - perhaps around 1990 to 1992 and in Unfinished Business - the answer came in the form of the IWCA and similar groups/approaches. 'Communities of Resistance'? IWCA.

The IWCA is not a group i wholeheartedly agree with, but it is one that is obviously what an older, smarter version of CW would be about in my view.

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At home we've got this book, the first 10 years of class war I think it's called. In it is a photo sequence of two class war people attacking a "yuppie" (read: man in a suit) by punching him in the face with a condom filled with human shit.

Why havent you scanned this yet?!?!?!

Obviously cos I'm a fucking moron! I'll look for it and do asap...

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May 22 2007 11:58
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In all seriousness, what was it?

That protest is futile, that defence and reaction are the modus operandi of losers. That the left is the enemy as well as the right. That we must build a culture of working class attack, not whining about how terrible it all is.

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Again, Gordon Brown, potential PM etc.

Jesus, his father was a Church of Scotland minister, typical middle class background from which Labour politicians are drawn. Having said that I like GB, and Ed Ball too. Don't like Prescott though, although it feels cruel to do so due to his disability.

Fair enough, i think i was mislead by fawning article then. I do think he is millions of miles away from being a public school 'secret handshake' chap though. And it doesn't change what i said, people from w/c backgrounds can take legitimate routes to power - indeed CW pointed out a certain number are allowed to succeed to legitimise the idea of meritocracy.

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Its seemed odd that in a sea of your 'that'll never work' and 'you've already lost' posts, you would actually support this of all things.

It's the difference between "We demand you stop the war" and "We're gonna get you toff bastards".

no anarchists here 'demanded they stop the war' in anything other than rhetoric - the point, whether it happened or not, was direct action. What you are talking about is a difference in rhetoric.

(massive delay in posting due to phonecall, god knows where the discussion has gone since)