John Bowden Demo, Friday 3pm Edinburgh

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Aug 20 2007 22:12
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I would happily tear your fake posing scrawny body limb from limb at this moment

Yeah, but would you keep any of the bits in the fridge?

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Aug 21 2007 13:06
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Yeah, I've checked you out too. You seem okay by comparison except for the dodgy SWP connections.

SWP connections, are you fucking mental?

Actually you obviously are, that's why you were banned, and that's why you've been re-banned. You can continue to threaten to kill and rape people, but you will not be able to do so on our website.

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Aug 21 2007 18:09
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SWP connections, are you fucking mental?

The high class sleuth that he is, he read your profile. He's like Phillip Marlowe.

lol grin Yeah i thought that - i remember seeing that on the profile... pwned John..

But yeh, Jack, Danny's research was not the most extensive..tongue

Glad you have banned him tho - those threats sounded pretty scary. sad

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Aug 21 2007 20:46

I only just spotted this thread, luckily none of you idiots had thought to register rapecom smile

Why did you ban Danny, I wanted to find out if working class women were allowed to tell rape jokes, cause I've got a really funny one so maybe I could get a female poster to put it up for me.

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Aug 22 2007 03:00

i dunno if this guy/girl did want to threaten to rape someone i dunno.

but anyway i want to register my disgust that i'm uglier than [even] revol grin eta he should change his haircut tho.

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Aug 22 2007 09:07
Lone Wolf wrote:
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SWP connections, are you fucking mental?

The high class sleuth that he is, he read your profile. He's like Phillip Marlowe.

lol grin Yeah i thought that - i remember seeing that on the profile... pwned John..

No, I know it's on my profile that I was in it briefly 7 seven years ago, I know because I put it there. I don't think that counts as having swp connections though.

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Aug 22 2007 10:07
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No, I know it's on my profile that I was in it briefly 7 seven years ago, I know because I put it there. I don't think that counts as having swp connections though.

I like to think my current politics are some kind of Hegelian synthesis of being briefly in the SWP, followed by being briefly in the WOMBLES.

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Aug 22 2007 16:17
John. wrote:
Lone Wolf wrote:
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SWP connections, are you fucking mental?

The high class sleuth that he is, he read your profile. He's like Phillip Marlowe.

lol grin Yeah i thought that - i remember seeing that on the profile... pwned John..

No, I know it's on my profile that I was in it briefly 7 seven years ago, I know because I put it there. I don't think that counts as having swp connections though.

I know i know but in case you hadn't noticed Danny needs a pretty minimal stimulus to be riled.

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Aug 26 2007 21:19
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More unprincipled than joking about rape ?

It was a bit of sarcasm for God's sake.

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What good does stating an uninformed and ignorant opinion do except belittle yourself ?

What are you talking about here?

Messy wrote:
You have displayed your character by supporting the state against him without interest of the facts whiole cracking jokes about rape and murder.

In no way have I supported the state against this person, nor did I crack any jokes.

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So says someone who hasn't done anything for any prisoner.

What on Earth do you know about what I have,or have not done?

Messy wrote:
I know for a fact you aren't...

You got something right. I am not an anarchist.

Messy wrote:
So be it though, RapeCom it is. I've been distributing my own leaflets to postal workers today warning them about you lot.

It's not actually my lot, but never mind.

Do you really think that that many postmen are interested in your personal fued with Libcom.

Devrim

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Aug 26 2007 22:55

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Sep 7 2007 15:11

ain't been on here for ages, heard of and know a little about Danny,thought he was ok - tho do not know enough to form an opinion, just seen posts on indymedia i like, don't know about all this stuff and if peeps are talking about him, jno idea what all this stuff about rape is, but i am in no fkn way condoning anything like that - will investigate later as limited time.

Thought this was a site for /about John Bowden, just came on here to spread the good news(though few posts i read on 1st page or 2, most of youse probably won't regard this as good) that John is returning to an open.

I think what John done over 25 years ago is fkn sick, and he is aware of this as we was mates and used to write/phone each other regular for over a year and think he would be 1st to agree.

However what worries me - someone has satisfied the conditions for release under bourgerious capitalist law, i.e. served over his full scentence(most , even nonces never do) and proved he is no longer a threat to society.

(as a lifer his position is slightly diff but i assume most aware of this)

Now, cos of the ABC's being called terrorists, and John's refusal to denounce his anarchist principles, he was taken from a open prison, after being in community for untold time incl visits home, and working outside with vunerable people, even before he was in the open - was on work release, kept in solitary, place probably was locked down and he was sent back to a closed higher cat prison, despite having broken no rules,etc,etc.

Sorry if i'm a tad naive, but in light of how the s.o.c.p.a. is being used, it worries me that people are kept inside, no longer for their original crime - which was nasty and brutal - i am not saying otherwise - but are kept inside for political reasons, I have seen john as a political prisoner for a long time - not in the sense that he was in for a politically-motivated crime, but the fact that he took the hard road and became political within jail - like many have e.g. malcolm x and george jacksonm(soledad brother and honary member of black panthers, )

NOW THERE IS NO DISPUTING JOHN IS A POLITICAL HOSTAGE AND YOU CAN TAKE THIS POOSITION WHILE STILL NOT CONDONING HIS ORIGINAL CRIME.

Anyways, sorry if i wrote this wrong, as time constraints mean i have to write quickly, so this is just a quick answer, not a considered position, thoughdefo believe 100% , that in some way, john is now a political hostage/prisoner.

received this e-mail via Mark, who i have only ever exchanged a few personal e-mails with after he e-mailed me and asked me for an add on myspace - so i do not claim to be his mate or speak for anyway but myself.

Just don't know why some are calling him ina disparaging way - SUPER-ANARCHIST.

Is it somehow wrong to be passionately committed and active. He has never bigged himself up to me or on any public thing i've seen - in fact i was not aware of how much he done, he never mentioned any actions in any kind of 'i'm a better anarchist than you' stylee. Also his myspace is private, so if he wanted to be a 'super-anarchist' why the feck would he not have it public and use it to 'share' his super style actions FFS.

Hopefully this remark is directed as some who maybe see Mark as some kind of superhero, and are tied up with all the crap that goes with personality politics, and hero-worshiping - which as d.i.y. punkish type of class-struggle anarchist i find abbhorant, and nothing to do with anarchism - in fact, against the spirit of it.

nuff said, for now.

e-mail re sttement of John reads

On Friday the 31st August, representatives of the management at Castle Huntley prison and Glenochil prison met at Glenochil and agreed to accept the reccomendation of Dawn Harris [see https://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/scotland/2007/08/379322.html] that I be returned to an open prison. The allegations of social worker Matt Stillman, claiming that I was linked to a "terrorist group" (the Anarchist Black Cross) had been effectively discredited and proved false.

I would like to express my deepest heartfelt thanks to the ABC and others who expressed support and solidarity with me over the last few months, and provided me with the strength and encouragement to endure the consequences of Stillman's ludicrous allegations.

John Bowden

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Sep 8 2007 06:16

there is a statement from the friends of john bowden about this and libcom comes in for a right old slagging. its all about "so-called anarchists" who under a cloak of anonymity slag of the supporters and john bowden. interesting reading i'm sure someone with better computer skills can put it on here for all to read.

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Sep 8 2007 08:20

Do you mean this:

Class War wrote:
Unfortunately, while waging the campaign, John's supporters have not only had to concede with dirty tricks from the State, but fight a rear-guard action against a tiny, but vocal element, calling themselves anarchists, and infesting various internet forums – most notably Libcom. Here cowards of the lowest type, hiding behind a veneer of anonymity, attempted to smear both John Bowden and the ABC, and undermine support for the campaign. These attacks on an established and long-standing prison resister, currently under attack by the State, are beneath contempt.

Devrim

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Sep 10 2007 13:23

So which of youse are the "infestation" (WTF) Class War are warning all 'good' roll eyes anarchists about confused

i hardly ever post on here cos feel *interlectually challenged*, had an account since last year i think, but hardly ever come on here anymore - used to check the site esp for news articles and that, but been looking at anakismo, and also broke my 1st computer, so not been on-line a lot.

So my post was just personal - as you probably sussed by the calibre of my writing,etc- Class War did not send me or F.O.J.B.
i posted on here b4 supporting John, which as youse know i do but also did not like it when the OP could maybe be called 'mis-leading', etc - and tactically it did not seem to work - i get how some peeps at the time felt mislead and even may have felt like they were 'lied too'.

better come back next time and black bloc mask-up and hide behind a *veneer of anonyminonity* cos while i support John politically and even as a person, i also said one or 2 things they may not appreciate either.

anyway, can't really say my opinion till i read all the other posts,etc. Or does anyone know whats going on can give me a breakdown or summat??

stay blessed red n black star wall :

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Sep 10 2007 13:42

Just reading backwards thru the posts, too tired(among other inadequacies,lol) to write anything original, but i definetely agree with this.
I don't know Danny or Messy or that, but i do not like this kind of school-yard deal crap - stop slating us and we'll leave you alone,etc.
Maybe he didn't mean it as it came across, cos its easy to write quick and post something that ain't your *considered position* u get me.

Devrim wrote:
. Either you think that it is political useful to criticise Libcom, or you don't. If you do you should do it. If you don't you don't. If you are doing it because they criticised your activity, or you think that you can trade off stopping criticising each other, it is pathetic.
All of these are valid criticisms. To suggest that people should stop making them in return for you stopping slagging Libcom eleswhere is political horsetrading, and has nothing to do with revolutionary politics.
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Sep 10 2007 13:56

arrghh wheres the delete embarrassed

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Sep 10 2007 18:48

cheers revol. i ain't here to threathen or verbally or physically abuse anyone, and i'm sorry if that happened to you, obv i don't know whole story but hardly an anarcho-com position to bully others into accepting your beliefs, or not in my book m8.

cheers for letting us know re danny/messy, makes things clearer confused

ain't read thru thread yet, just ain't signed out cos took ages to work out how to get in here b4,lol but will do tonight - been awake all weekend.

i think john was a political prisoner - in some sense - for a while, but u have good points, and i ain't trying to dodge the issue, just not clear-headed to answer properly.

laters, peeps smile