Would Lenin vote for the Democrats in the USA?

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Jun 25 2015 12:47
Would Lenin vote for the Democrats in the USA?

I recently came across this Lenin quote:

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When a socialist really believes in a Black-Hundred danger and is sincerely combating it—he votes for the liberals without any bargaining, and does not break off negotiations if 2 seats instead of 3 are offered him. For instance, it may happen that at a second ballot in Europe a Black-Hundred danger arises when the liberal obtains, say, 8,000 votes, the Black-Hundred representative or reactionary, 10,000, and the socialist 3,000. If a socialist believes that the Black-Hundred danger is a real danger to the working class, he will vote for the liberal. We have no second ballot in Russia, but we may get a situation analogous to a second ballot in the second stage of the elections. If out of 174 electors, say, 86 are of the Black Hundreds, 84 Cadets and 4 socialists, the socialists must cast their votes for the Cadet candidate, and so far not a single member of the Russian Social-Democratic Labour Party has questioned this.

https://revolutionaryds.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/do-marxists-oppose-stra...

The blogger who introduced it seemed to be suggesting that Lenin would advocate working in the Democratic Party in the present day United States. Does anyone who might know more about Lenin or the context he was speaking in think this is a fair reading? Because it would seem to go against the grain of what most Trotskyist groups preach re the Democratic Party.

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Jun 25 2015 12:50

He would be totally ready for Hillary. Totally. Serious.

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Jun 25 2015 12:56

But he would be hot for Bernie.

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Jun 25 2015 12:58

The Black Hundreds were something like the KKK. I don't think Lenin would advocate voting Democrat in the present-day US.

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Jun 25 2015 16:27

Come on. The RDS take is garbage. Read the entire article by Lenin.

He begins:

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First of all, let us briefly recall the actual history of what the Menshevik seceders from the Social-Democrats have done since they walked out of the Conference.

(I) After breaking away from the Social-Democrat workers, they entered into a bloc with the petty bourgeoisie (the Socialist-Revolutionaries, the Trudoviks and the Popular Socialists) in order jointly to bargain with the Cadets for seats. The written agreement under which the seceding Social-Democrats joined the petty-bourgeois bloc was concealed from the workers and from the public.

and continues:

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(2) As a constituent part of the petty-bourgeois bloc (incorrectly styled the “Left bloc” by the newspapers), the breakaway Mensheviks bargained with the Cadets for three places out of the six for this bloc. The Cadets offered two seats. They could not come to terms. The meeting between the petty-bourgeois “conference” (this expression is not ours—we borrow it from the newspapers) and the Cadets was held on January 18. Both Rech and Tovarishch reported it. Rech announces today that no agreement was reached (although we must, of course, be prepared to hear that negotiations are still being conducted behind the scenes).

So far the Mensheviks have made no announcement in the press concerning their operation for the sale of workers’ votes to the Cadets.

They will probably report to the petty-bourgeois bloc, part of which they formed during the negotiations, and not to the workers’ party!

They probably do not like to say why Comrade Dan took part in the negotiations, although he had been authorised to do so neither by the group of thirty-one nor by any other Party organisation.

and points out:

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But that is not all. The extent to which the thirty-one Mensheviks are distorting the truth when they invoke the decision of the All-Russian Social-Democratic Conference can be seen from the following. It is common knowledge that the decisions of this (advisory) Conference were carried by the votes of the Mensheviks and the Bundists against those of the Bolsheviks, the Poles and the Letts. And these very Bundists who were instrumental in getting the decision of the All-Russian Social-Democratic Conference passed, have officially sanctioned blocs with the Socialist Revolutionaries, and with revolutionary democrats in general, where there is no Black-Hundred danger, but where there is a Cadet danger. The Central Committee of the Bund has adopted a decision to that effect, and no one has protested against it. It was reported in Nasha Tribuna, the Russian organ of the Bund, and all Russian Social-Democrats who are able to read know it.

and draws the conclusion:

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The conclusion is that the Mensheviks behaved in an unprincipled manner in joining a petty-bourgeois bloc without any discrimination, and proved incapable of doing what Social-Democrats are in duty bound to do in an election campaign, namely, to teach the masses to draw strict and proper distinctions between parties. The Mensheviks hastened to take their place in a single petty-bourgeois bloc with the Popular Socialists, in other words, with a semi-Cadet group!

The Bolsheviks were consistent in matters of principle. They started with an open resolution, published everywhere in the name of an official Social-Democratic body, informing all and sundry of the Popular Socialist Party’s unreliability. The Bolsheviks have now achieved the result that the more revolutionary Trudoviks (the Socialist-Revolutionaries) have themselves declared that the Popular Socialists may leave the Trudovik bloc without leading to its dissolution!

The Bolsheviks have achieved the separation of the revolutionary Trudoviks from the opportunist Trudoviks. The Mensheviks are immersed right up to their ears in an opportunist petty-bourgeois bloc.

The Bolsheviks have openly and publicly called upon the Trudoviks to join them in battle against the Cadets, and have already achieved undoubted political results, although they have not as yet entered into any bloc with anybody. Secretly from the workers, and discarding all principles, the Mensheviks have crawled into a petty-bourgeois bloc so as to haggle with the Cadets.

The entire thrust of the RDS is misinformation, as Lenin is dispelling the bugaboo off allying with liberals, the Kadets because of the imaginary threat of Black Hundreds. He regards the alliance with the Kadets as the enemy of working class organization and opposition.

Would Lenin vote for the Democrats? Nobody cares. Would Lenin advocate an alliance of the equivalent of the Social Democrat, or the Bolshevik, Party with the Big D US Democratic Party? We know he did not act in any equivalent manner at any point in the struggle between 1905 and 1917.

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Jun 25 2015 17:34

Would Aliester Crowley have formed an alliance with Ali Bongo?

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Jun 25 2015 17:40

If Oceania were not at war with Eurasia, would it be at war with Eastasia?

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Jun 25 2015 17:42

Since there are entire socialists sects founded on WWLD (What Would Lenin Do?), I think it's a fair question.

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Jun 25 2015 19:36

Thing is, we all know what Lenin did and it wasn't good, so I wouldn't be basing too many of my life choices on it.

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Jun 25 2015 20:13

No doubt. But sometimes when you run into leftists who look to him for religious type guidance, it's helpful to know more than they do.

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Jun 25 2015 21:36
DekuScrub3 wrote:
No doubt. But sometimes when you run into leftists who look to him for religious type guidance, it's helpful to know more than they do.

The real question is, what would you do?

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Jun 26 2015 01:49

In the UK Lenin would definitely vote for the Tories because David Cameron said the Tories really love the working class.

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Jun 26 2015 13:55

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Jun 26 2015 15:56

^^^Word.

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Jun 26 2015 16:31

let's all read a book