Queer Rights Protest in Kent... SUPPORT NEEDED!

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cyberqueer
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Oct 7 2004 10:46
Queer Rights Protest in Kent... SUPPORT NEEDED!

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See http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/10/298629.html

The protest day of action, scheduled for 1pm on Saturday 13th November, a year after the government repealed Section 28 in national law. Immediately after this landmark decision, however, Kent County Council chose to implement similar policies that prohibit the "promotion of homosexuality".

FREE TRANSPORT FROM MANCHESTER TO MAIDSTONE!!!

Transport will be setting on really early on the morning of Saturday 13th to give Kent County Council hell from the Lesbian and Gay Centre on Sidney Street. (donations very welcome!) If you would like to come there will be a planning meeting next friday at the gay centre - thats October 15th at 6pm, or call Tom on: 07754 046 850

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Oct 7 2004 22:24

Bugger, I'm working that day, otherwise I might come along. I've been sitting on my activist arse for too long. Good luck all the same, give em hell.

LeighGionaire
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Oct 8 2004 15:53

Why should homosexuality be promoted in schools?

Garner
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Oct 8 2004 16:02
LeighGionaire wrote:
Why should homosexuality be promoted in schools?

Legislators seem to have a rather strange definition of 'promoting' when it comes to homosexuality. Apparently any mention of it in sex education classes amounts to 'promotion'.

redyred
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Oct 8 2004 17:16

The main problem with Section 28 was it stopped teachers presenting same sex relationships as a viable alternative to heterosexuality, meaning prejudice and ignorance is institutionalised, and gay pupils would feel even more isolated, become more fucked up, have more trouble accepting themselves and so on.

LeighGionaire
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Oct 8 2004 17:38
redyred wrote:
The main problem with Section 28 was it stopped teachers presenting same sex relationships as a viable alternative to heterosexuality, meaning prejudice and ignorance is institutionalised, and gay pupils would feel even more isolated, become more fucked up, have more trouble accepting themselves and so on.

To be honest, I have a problem with sex education in schools full stop. All this so called 'education' in my opinion actually encourages CHILDREN to engage in sexual activity. I've read that some teachers have been handing out condoms to CHILDREN so they can practice 'safe sex'.

Where do you draw the line on 'political correctness'? Do we go a stage further and begin giving schoolkids 'clean' drugs so they are 'safer' than going to the local drug dealer?

LeighGionaire
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Oct 8 2004 17:52
Jack wrote:
What's wrong with school kids fucking?

What's right about it?

redyred
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Oct 8 2004 18:01
LeighGionaire wrote:
Jack wrote:
What's wrong with school kids fucking?

What's right about it?

As Revol said, it happens. Most people become sexually able and aware in their early teens, so it happens. Kids being told about STDs and how to put on a condom won't change that either way, but it might stop of few teenagers catching herpes or getting a baby they can't support. And also back to the point of homosexuality, that's not just a matter of sex education, its about adult relationships too, and kids need to get an accurate understanding of it.

LeighGionaire
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Oct 8 2004 18:42
revol68 wrote:

oh for fuck sake open ur eyes! kids have been having sex before they were 16 since forever, i'd rather have my kid have a decent understanding of it, rather than earing from tracy in 4th form that u can't get pregnant if u have sex standing up.

Then why not teach your kid about sex education yourself, instead of relying on THE STATE to do a job that should be a parental responsibility?

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anyway stop reading the daily mail for fucksake, sex education, immigration, financial capital are obbsessions of the far right. roll eyes

Trying to insinuate something?

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Oct 8 2004 18:57
LeighGionaire wrote:
Then why not teach your kid about sex education yourself, instead of relying on THE STATE to do a job that should be a parental responsibility?

Sex education is not a parental responsibility -- it's a social responsibility. While most kids are imprisoned in school they might as well get some useful info.

LeighGionaire
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Oct 8 2004 19:59
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:

Sex education is not a parental responsibility -- it's a social responsibility. While most kids are imprisoned in school they might as well get some useful info.

So if it's a social responsibility, and the majority within a community prefered a more 'conservative' approach to sex education, would you not accept the will of the majority?

Wayne
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Oct 8 2004 20:21

I used to facilitate sex education discussions in secondary schools, I was a sexpert. We held a holistic view of sexual health, emphasised responsible decisions, respect and consideration for others, communication, reasonable protection against STDs and unwanted pregnancy and we told the kids to fuck with who they wanted and never feel bad about it tongue Leaving it up to parents isn't good enough because many parents have warped or ignorant ideas about sex and others are just really uncomfortable discussing it with their kids. In surveys of who young people would turn to for information about sex, parents come below friends, magazines, helplines and other relations.

Sex education is a right like being taught to read and no whacko parent should be allowed to withdraw their kid. Let the kids decide, if they want to learn about sexual health I couldn't give a fuck what their parents wanted.

Shite, got to go, there's a fucking lizard man at the door.

LeighGionaire
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Oct 8 2004 21:32
revol68 wrote:

as for insinuating something well i have noticed a rather odd trend within ur posting, not saying ur a fascist just pointing that alot of ur points get abit closer to good ole national socialism than i'd be comfortable with. The one on immigration and ur slightly barmy obsession with finance capital when u started posting on here made me worry for a bit.

Revol68,

I accept that some of my views could be construed that way, indeed the banking 'conspiracy' plays a significant part in Nazi propaganda. Then somebody pointed out to me that Karl Marx's critique of Capitalism is virtually the same 'theory' and I was 'saved' from the decent into nationalism. That said, I still hold pretty 'conservative' views on certain issues.

redyred
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Oct 8 2004 21:37

And if you call yourself an anarchist, does that not bother you?

LeighGionaire
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Oct 8 2004 21:54
revol68 wrote:

I doubt the majority of people in this country are actually against sex education.

I've never said I'm against sex education.

LeighGionaire
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Oct 8 2004 21:56
Wayne wrote:
we told the kids to fuck with who they wanted and never feel bad about it.

Hoping to score a few sexual conquests while you were there by any chance?

LeighGionaire
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Oct 8 2004 22:09
redyred wrote:
And if you call yourself an anarchist, does that not bother you?

Should it?

I believe that all power corrupts, so any kind of social infrastructure has to be based upon voluntary co-operation.

I believe that capitalism is a global pyramid scam that enslaves the masses.

I believe that all men/women, regardless of race or colour, are created equal.

I'm agnostic regarding spiritual matters, so I believe that the moral codes within each 'voluntary association' should be decided in a democratic fashion.

You tell me, am I an anarchist?

Garner
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Oct 11 2004 16:02
LeighGionaire wrote:
Where do you draw the line on 'political correctness'? Do we go a stage further and begin giving schoolkids 'clean' drugs so they are 'safer' than going to the local drug dealer?

Yeah, I think that's an excellent idea.

If kids had the opportunity to experiment with good clean drugs in a safe environment, with advice on how to avoid becoming addicted, I'm sure there'd be a massive drop in rates of addiction, and those that did get addicted would stay healthy and be able to function pretty much normally in society.