New Libertarian Communist Organisation in Britain?

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May 27 2005 12:31
New Libertarian Communist Organisation in Britain?

Southampton newsletter with big ambitions that was published on Anarkismo.net this morning.

http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=602

I don't know much about this beyond what is published in the articles (I've exchanged a couple of emails with the author) so I thought I'd draw peoples attention to it here.

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May 27 2005 14:48

Well it seems to take the deppressingly lefty starting point of 'drawing together' the existing libertarian communists in Southampton...not even sure if this is practically possible, let alone useful...a bit cobweb, if you get me.

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May 27 2005 14:59
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
Well it seems to take the deppressingly lefty starting point of 'drawing together' the existing libertarian communists in Southampton...not even sure if this is practically possible, let alone useful...a bit cobweb, if you get me.

I think this was put out by one guy. Now I've been involved in groups that have as few as three members so I'm fully aware of just how little such a tiny group can do. For a political project like this you have to draw together some of the existing anarchist communists to get any sort of critical mass.

I don't have a clue about the situation in Southampton - indeed I had to google it to discover where it was on the map.

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May 27 2005 16:25

Well I won't make any more criticisms as it's not fair to knock people who've just started.

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I don't have a clue about the situation in Southampton - indeed I had to google it to discover where it was on the map.

I reckon a certain poster can give us more info...

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May 27 2005 16:48

southhampton is a depressing place sad

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May 27 2005 19:56
rkn wrote:
southhampton is a depressing place :(

Even more so since they got relegated!

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Jun 10 2005 10:52

southampton is wonderful city of culture, shopping centres, and excellent urban planning embarrassed

no idea how much call there is for a libertarian communist group though...

(and where was this bloke when we tried to launch southampton liberation anyway? twisted )

i'm sure there's some people i can put him in touch with if he's serious about doing stuff - but if he's only interested in some purist bollocks i cant see it lasting long

red n black star

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Jun 10 2005 10:53

he registered when this was posted but i dont think he got round to saying anything about it which is a shame sad

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Jun 10 2005 10:53

I contacted him as soon as this was posted up but he hasn't replied yet...

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Jun 10 2005 11:05
PaulMarsh wrote:
rkn wrote:
southhampton is a depressing place :(

Even more so since they got relegated!

Boo Hoo! cry

At least it's only a bus ride to withdean, "i've got a shed, that's bigger than this" smile

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Jun 10 2005 16:18

I am the guy behind the original article.

Sorry if I haven't got back to anyone who e.mailed me, I thought I'd replied to all the mails I received. I'm also pretty busy (job, 2 kids, a life etc.)

Am interested in more than 'purist bollox' but I do think thereoretical clarity is important and will constitute a large element of the first phase of group formation. This doesn't mean I/we wont get involved in activity - been involved in southampton Dissent since it got going in may.

However, I am returning to politics after a long period of inactivity (which would explain my absence from previous attempts to start something in southampton). I know I have much to learn and don't pretend otherwise. Decided to try to form a new group since I didn't feel that drawn to joining the existing ones.

This is a long-term project, after all I no longer think the revolution is round the corner and can remember times when industrial militancy was much much higher than now.

If you're interested in joining this attempt at forming a new platformist group based around the 'basic ideas' why not e.mail me?

PS as a Liverpool fan I thought the season ended quite well!!

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Jun 13 2005 16:56
libertariancommunist wrote:
as a Liverpool fan...

Funny how the number of Liverpool fans has exploded over the last few weeks. I can't imagine what might have caused it.

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Jun 13 2005 20:48

Shouild we have a poll to see who supports which team?

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Jun 14 2005 19:37

Hi,

Just thought some of you might be interested in a similar letter the ICC received from some libertarian communists in France a while ago - the Gauche Communiste Libertaire - along with our reply.

Open letter to council communist militants (from GCL)

Is it possible to reconcile anarchism and marxism? (ICC reply to GLC)

Beltov

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Jun 14 2005 21:30
Beltov wrote:
Hi,

Just thought some of you might be interested in a similar letter the ICC received from some libertarian communists in France a while ago - the Gauche Communiste Libertaire - along with our reply.

Open letter to council communist militants (from GCL)

Is it possible to reconcile anarchism and marxism? (ICC reply to GLC)

Beltov

er what the hell does this have to do with the rest of this thread?

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Jun 15 2005 11:09
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Beltov wrote:
Hi,

Just thought some of you might be interested in a similar letter the ICC received from some libertarian communists in France a while ago - the Gauche Communiste Libertaire - along with our reply.

Open letter to council communist militants (from GCL)

Is it possible to reconcile anarchism and marxism? (ICC reply to GLC)

Beltov

er what the hell does this have to do with the rest of this thread?

Although you probably now the answer can'tdo, here goes, it's cos he wants to spell out the party line, using the words 'libertarian communist'.

You're better dead than red!!!

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Jun 15 2005 15:14

H'mm that thread has wondered off to some odd places!

Incidentally article from the newsletter post to Anarkismo have now been translated into Greek and Italian!

Greek at

http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=701

and

http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=702

And into Italian at

http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=618

Not sure how much use that will be in Southampton!

I'm in London soon on a family visit and hope to meet up with the author, if anyone else is interested PM me

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Jul 11 2005 08:43

Back to Southampton

I haven't been back there for some years. In the early 1990s there was a base there for the AWG (anarchist workers group) a chap called Little dave was the main organiser and built a small group of supporters in the local swp.

I remember this as I was the swpper that moved their expulsion (shame)

some apparently returned rather quickly totrot ranks, but I simply don't know what happened to the rest.

I remember being very impressed with their magazine 'socialism from below' .

I remember reading that they ended up in the RCP can that be true? (yuk)

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Jul 11 2005 23:48
darren redparty wrote:
Back to Southampton

I haven't been back there for some years. In the early 1990s there was a base there for the AWG (anarchist workers group) a chap called Little dave was the main organiser and built a small group of supporters in the local swp.

I remember this as I was the swpper that moved their expulsion (shame)

some apparently returned rather quickly totrot ranks, but I simply don't know what happened to the rest.

I remember being very impressed with their magazine 'socialism from below' .

I remember reading that they ended up in the RCP can that be true? (yuk)

hmm, don't know little dave, but yes socialism from below is spoken of quite highly though i've never seen it - and yes the AWG did disolve into the RCP, though since the RCP never had a real branch in southampton i've no idea what happened to them

i'd be interested to know who rejoined the swaps though, fancy pming the names? wink red star

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Jul 15 2005 14:57

To the Soton comrade, while I can praise your attempts to get organised and while I know little or nothing of the scene on the coast, I would suggest either trying to work with other anarchists/libertarians to form a local collective made up of folk from the town itself or from the region. Getting involved in local issues, building mutual trust and respect with others first before thinking along broader organisational lines.

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Jul 16 2005 16:27

Don't know what you've got planned or are aspiring to in terms of practicalities, but if you're planning on grassroots activity a good starting point might be a door-to-door survey to find out what local people are concerned about/ what the burning issues are then you can focus on these in any campaign work.

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Jul 16 2005 16:53
Nightjar wrote:
Don't know what you've got planned or are aspiring to in terms of practicalities, but if you're planning on grassroots activity a good starting point might be a door-to-door survey to find out what local people are concerned about/ what the burning issues are then you can focus on these in any campaign work.

You might want to wear one of these while your on your rounds...

wink

Beltov.

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Jul 18 2005 07:22

[ though since the RCP never had a real branch in southampton i've no idea what happened to them

i'd be interested to know who rejoined the swaps though, fancy pming the names? wink red star

All an embaressingly long time ago, And the only person I can clearly remember was the brother of someone who went on to become a swp full timer, he still has my copy of victor serges memiors of a revolutionary, Not wishing to be sidetracked, are you sure that the rcp never had a branch in southampton?

There certainly seemed to be a fairly established group of students sellingthe dead scab (living marxism) to the masses every week for the entire time I lived down there, even a full timer, george? who used to sit on the bench and supervise, apparently he had been involved in the physical assault of a female student whilst at university and was a constant butt of intra left humour and baiting,

Once when he turned up with his right wrist in plaster, we were much distressed at the curtailment of his love life, small thing fascinating tiny minds.