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Jul 30 2007 10:46
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felix:I also find it problematic if WSA has one published statement of your political principles, that you can read on your website, and another unpublished agreement that members can refer to in articles and forum posts. And I don't appreciate being called a lier for pointing this out.

I believe it has been said elsewhere by syndicalistcat that that there is currently an internal WSA new statement discussion. To imply that we're hiding something would be to say we're being dishonest. I'd take exception to that. And Felix, you know better than that. You wanna poke it out with syndicaliscat, that's one thing, to imply that people you have personally worked with and know would act in a manner inconsistant with liberatran ethics is wrong and disappointing.

Calm down, syndicalist. I didn't say you were dishonest or were hiding things. I just think your members ought to wait with advertising things as WSA collective positions until it they have been officially voted on and published by the group. Until that has happened, I think they ought to stick with arguing for their own personal point of view. But, as I said, it's not really my business.

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Perhaps to avaoid confusion when talking about the internal WSA discussion would be to say: "Something WSA is now discussing..."

Yeah, that would be better.

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Jul 30 2007 13:20
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felix: I just think your members ought to wait with advertising things as WSA collective positions until it they have been officially voted on and published by the group.

Perhaps.

My initial reasoning for this posting was to see where other US and Canadian a/s and those close to a/s are at. To, perhaps, help with our own internal discussions.

I really don't know what the situation is like in Norway, except that you have the IWA affiliate the NSF. I don't know if your situation is stagnant or lively.

I would say that the situation in the US (where I live) has a number of levels and elements. WSA has been a part of the class struggle movement since 1984.
I can say WSA has a desire to grow and to be current. How this happens is an on-going process. I figured that libcom would be a good place to have some of the discussion as there are many decent and intellegent comrades who are participate and who may have constructive things to say.

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Jul 30 2007 22:21

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I just think your members ought to wait with advertising things as WSA collective positions until it they have been officially voted on and published by the group.

in general this is not bad advice but it can be taken too strictly.

so we should remain completely mum as to what WSA is because we didn't include a section in our original political statement on the role of WSA itself?

in regard to the question of the three-class analysis, i suppose i could have said "Most members of WSA who have indicated a view in some way, seem to agree with a three-class analysis of capitalism". Maybe this makes it clearer that it is a common viewpoint among members rather than a position officially agreed to. Maybe stating it this way would make Felix happier.

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Aug 1 2007 22:52
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I really don't know what the situation is like in Norway, except that you have the IWA affiliate the NSF. I don't know if your situation is stagnant or lively.

There is very little going on in Norway at the moment, both in terms of libertarian projects and in the wider class struggle. One of the problems with doing something specifically syndicalist is that the NSF isn't very interested in working with the rest of the anarchist/libertarian scene here, and setting up one more small syndicalist propaganda group doesn't seem worthwhile. My personal opinion is that the NSF are good people with solid politics, but that they could have had a better impact if they had been less concerned with upholding the "strategic unity" of the IWA.

I and others have been arguing for creating better coordination between the various small groups and projects on the libertarian left here, but it remains to be seen what will come out of this. Some comrades will probably start up a new class struggle anarchist organization in the near future also, but the details are still up in the air.

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Aug 2 2007 09:51
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I and others have been arguing for creating better coordination between the various small groups and projects on the libertarian left here, but it remains to be seen what will come out of this. Some comrades will probably start up a new class struggle anarchist organization in the near future also, but the details are still up in the air.

If I understand correctly one of the groups that would participate in that coordination of the "libertarian left" is "Demokratisk Alternativ", group which is participating in municipal elections in Oslo. Yeah, those NSF-ers are real loosing much for not coordinating with parliamentarian "libertarian" left and other "libertarians" who don't see problem with that.

I was rereading some Lenin few days ago (don't ask me why), and I remembered this perfect passage from the "What Is To Be Done?":

"We are marching in a compact group along a precipitous and difficult path, firmly holding each other by the hand. We are surrounded on all sides by enemies, and we have to advance almost constantly under their fire. We have combined, by a freely adopted decision, for the purpose of fighting the enemy, and not of retreating into the neighbouring marsh, the inhabitants of which, from the very outset, have reproached us with having separated ourselves into an exclusive group and with having chosen the path of struggle instead of the path of conciliation. And now some among us begin to cry out: Let us go into the marsh! And when we begin to shame them, they retort: What backward people you are! Are you not ashamed to deny us the liberty to invite you to take a better road! Oh, yes, gentlemen! You are free not only to invite us, but to go yourselves wherever you will, even into the marsh. In fact, we think that the marsh is your proper place, and we are prepared to render you every assistance to get there. Only let go of our hands, don’t clutch at us and don’t besmirch the grand word freedom, for we too are “free” to go where we please, free to fight not only against the marsh, but also against those who are turning towards the marsh!"

I guess it sums up very well position of every revolutionary current in a struggle vs. the reformist one (ok, ok, Bolsheviks are bastards, dictators, etc, but comparing to socdemocrats even they were revolutionary).

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Aug 2 2007 11:04

Yes Rata, Democratic Alternative will also be invited to participate in our coordination, if anything comes out of it. We have done things with them in the past also, such as organizing a libertarian May Day party after the main labor rally. I'm not a big fan of their group, but I don't see anything wrong in working together with them on common projects.

As for them participating in the municipal elections, I think this is a total waste of time on their part. We plan to invite them to one of our public meetings in order to have a debate about this with them.

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May 13 2016 13:53

Although I am personally on an organizational hiatus, figured I put this in here as some folks are working on this infant project. A number of the authors and deeply engaged folks are on lib com.
I was not involved in this project, but there is value to the discussion and idea of getting active anarchosyndicalists talking and possibly more...

"The Anarcho-Syndicalist Initiative"
http://ideasandaction.info/2016/04/anarcho-syndicalist-initiative-member...

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Sep 5 2016 23:15
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Although I am personally on an organizational hiatus, figured I put this in here as some folks are working on this infant project. A number of the authors and deeply engaged folks are on lib com.
I was not involved in this project, but there is value to the discussion and idea of getting active anarchosyndicalists talking and possibly more...

"The Anarcho-Syndicalist Initiative"
http://ideasandaction.info/2016/04/anarcho-syndicalist-initiative-member...

Yes please feel free to get in touch with us over at the WSA: workersolidarity.org

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Jan 28 2018 19:24

"Funny" rereading this.