ID cards pledge bank

He's from No2ID, I think he's probably a key organiser, cos I sent him an email for a possible story about it and he seems to have a very good idea of the number of members/groups involved in the campaign.

Someone on here had some info about them didn't they? Some right fucking dodgy types involved if I'm not mistaken

but isn't that the problem with a lot of broad coalition groups held together by one purpose? I remember that the BNP were involved on a demo against the Iraq war until they got chased off the demo by others. Lots of groups are against ID and some of them are dodgy. Not so sure that No2ID is as an organisation though. The ID cards pledge bank link was on the Defy ID forum btw, october_lost you aren't paying attention

anyway, after last night we've pretty much got the little bastard things. i'm planning on getting older quicker, growing big fingers and possibly becoming black because the iris recognition technology doesn't work so well on people in those categorys.

Oh I dunno, rebel MPs and no2id were both expecting it but weren't too bothered, on the grounds the Lords are going to batter it and it'll have to go through again.

The thing that concerns me about this is the "voluntary" period.

If they tried to bring in compulsory cards instantly, you'd have 1. mass refusal 2. logistical chaos.

As it is, loads of people who are saying they'll never get one might have to when they want to go to their GP/on holiday/renew any existing ID etc. etc. Saying you'll go to court/jail is one thing, saying you'll effectively give up your right to any public service, and lots of private ones is quite another. The "denial of service" thing has to be concentrated on as much as possible - as much as possible including service providers who won't be happy about denying services to people in need because of ID cards.

I think Catch is correct. The voluntary period will be introduced to make it a fait accompli when they are made compulsory and the denial of service will be important (differnet in Scotland interestingly, which could be exploited).

We can do more on this shortly from a strategic perspective, busy with G8 circus now.

Also, have you seen Minority Report, the film - precursor iris scanning stuff as you walk around the streets. For the future...

it could be the old trick of making something so bad and evidently unpopular that by the time 'concessions' are made, its more palatable by default. I reckon the lords will thrash it, but concessions will be made by the government. i don't think the lords will kill it although it may have to go through again as you say Saii. it will also probably become an increasingly more difficult argument to have with the public in that as they soften the bill it will become at least cosmetically less contentious.

some of the things that will be needed if this becomes law are practical support networks for those who really do refuse to carry id. another plan was to find service providers who would agree to treat people without id. also to campaign vigourously around key dates when known. eg. renewal of passport campaign before the id passport is complusory. i have no doubt before that that there are plans for a softening up process to avoid exactly the effects Catch has mentioned (mass refusal, logistical chaos) and the drip drip introduction of id during the voluntary period is part of that process.