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Mar 23 2006 22:14

Hi

That sounds right Steven. Also, from what I've been reading, continuous service isn't broken by strike days, although your length of service is reduced by the number of days you’re on strike. I think the frighteners are being put on with nothing to back it up.

http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/pay/rules-pl711b.htm

I’ll shut up about this now, ‘coz I’m not helping.

How do the comrades directly involved in the dispute advise the rest of us to show solidarity with them? Any requests or guidance for us?

Love

LR

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Mar 23 2006 22:17

sell copies of socialist worker??

c'mon a pickets not a picket without an ernest trot wink

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Mar 23 2006 22:46
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So I guess the managers are being strongly encouraged not to strike then. it would figure...

Nah I just think she really had no idea. I mean the people in my dept seem to know very little about the strike. It just seems to be a notice on the Unison board on the way in. I'm worried about Tuesday...

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sell copies of socialist worker??

ah shucks, just sold my last one yesterday!

and i lost my che t-shirt

daaaaang

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Mar 24 2006 11:42

Hi

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I'm worried about Tuesday...

Don't let it get to you. Give anxiety-culture the boot.

I've just been chatting to some public sector types who've been saying they expected the “85 year rule” to be abolished when they joined, so they may as well get it over and done with.

Maybe we need to ramp up the notion that this is the thin end of the wedge. I bet you the government entices public sector employees to take cash lump sums in exchange for converting their pensions to “personal pension plans” before the next general election. I expect the Tories will propose it if they don’t.

For those who might think a private pension is the way forward, I’ll remind them that many of those who were sold these devices in the early nineties are in receipt of letters advising them to buy their way back into the state pension. Their private pensions are unlikely to perform adequately enough to provide a living income.

Love

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Mar 24 2006 17:14

shit, I have only just found out about this! Pretty bad really since I work as a civil servant... I am still trying to join the union PCS (For the third time) I think, but I not getting any answers back. Grumble what should I do?

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Mar 24 2006 17:17
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shit, I have only just found out about this! Pretty bad really since I work as a civil servant... I am still trying to join the union PCS (For the third time) I think, but I not getting any answers back. Grumble what should I do?

Phone them?

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Mar 24 2006 17:21

roll eyes

Of course!

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Mar 25 2006 18:11

UPDATEgrin LIST of Pensions Strike Rallies on Tues March 28:, venues and times

(There will be thousands of pickets lines in the UK. Most towns and cities will also see rallies. Even if your locality is not listed here, there will be a picket line at your local town hall, and probably school, college, University and leisure centre, etc).

*Aberdeen

March and Rally

10.30 Assemble Rubislaw Terrace Gardens

11.00 March down Union Street

11.45 Rally at Castlegate

* Birmingham

12.00 pm. Victoria Square, outside Council House,

*Bristol

11.30am, Castle Green

*Cornwall

Strike rally on the piazza in Truro, Cornwall. A picket line will be set up on Tuesday morning at offices in Truro and Camborne. After the picketing there will be a rally on the piazza in Truro for all the striking workers, where information will be exchanged on future industrial action.

*Cardiff

Strike rally at the Millennium Stadium.

Picket lines are being organised at around 200 council premises in the Cardiff area.

*Chesterfield

Chesterfield and District Trades Council is backing strikers by holding a public meeting and rally in Chesterfield on Tuesday. There will be a rally at New Square, opposite Dents Chemist at 12.00pm, followed by public meeting at the Chesterfield Football Club, Saltergate at 12.30pm.

*Coventry

12.30 pm On the Green outside the Council House.

*Derby

12:00 noon – 1:30 p.m. Derby Market Place (opposite The Council Offices)

*Dudley

1pm Mahoe Centre, Tower Centre, Dudley, hot buffet with music! (Also Unison members AGM).

*Dumfries

Rally organised by Local TUC

11.00 – 12.00 Jay Kays, English Street

*Dundee

11.00 Assemble Hilltown Park,

March to City Centre

12.00 Rally with guest speakers,

Rory Malone, and other TU speakers

*Edinburgh

Starts 11.30 Rally to present joint letter to the Scottish Parliament –then:

12.00 Assemble Market Street (New Street end)

12.30 March off along Waverley Bridge,

Princes St., Kings Stables Road

13.30 Rally at Ross Bandstand, Princes St Gardens

*Glasgow

11.30 Assemble Blythswood Square

12.00 March to Glasgow Green via West Regent St, Renfield Street, Union Street, Argyle Street, Queen Street, George Square, High Street, Saltmarket, Glasgow Green

Speakers: Matt Smith, Mike Brider (TGWU), Harry Frew (UCATT) and other TUs, John Keenan (STUC)

*Hereford,

11.00 am Hightown.

*Hertford

Unison plans to hold a rally at County Hall in Hertford on the day. This will coincide with the decision on whether to close Radlett Fire Station, and another planned protest by hundreds of Fire Brigades Union members.

*Inverness

Falcon Sq.

Gathering and Balloon launch.

*Kilmarnock

(To be confirmed)

Probably Rally Kilmarnock Cross 12.30 – 1.30

*Leicester

12 noon – 2 p.m. The Town Hall Square

*Lincoln

12 noon. The front of Lincolnshire County Council Offices.

*Liverpool

12.30pm on Tuesday 28th March at the Victoria Monument, Derby Square,

*Leeds

11am, Leeds City Art Gallery, Headrow

*London

Greater London Regional joint union rally. 1.30pm Westminster Central Hall.

A regional joint union rally called by SERTUC and the joint trade unions will take place on Tuesday 28 March at Westminster Central Hall, Storeys Gate, SW1 Refreshments available 1.30pm and the rally will start at 2pm.Speakers to include Dave Prentis, General Secretary, UNISON; Mark Serwotka, General Secretary, PCS; plus other speakers from the unions involved, SERTUC and London MPs

* Manchester

12 noon, Albert Square

* Newcastle

12 noon, Grey’s Monument

* Northampton

10:30 a.m. to 12 noon. The Piazza in front of All Saints Church, Northampton City Centre.

*Nottingham

March from Forest Recreation Ground (Goose Fair Site)

Assemble 11:00 a.m., march starts 11:30 a.m.

Rally at Albert Hall from 12 noon to 1 p.m.

* Plymouth

11am, Civic Centre, Royal Parade

*Sandwell, West Midlands,

11.15am. Oldbury Council House,

*Stafford.

12.00 – 1.30 pm. Market Square, Stafford

*Wolverhampton,

12.00 pm, The Piazza, outside civic centre,

*Worcester

12 midday. Outside the Guildhall , Worcester High Street.

*York

12.30pm outside the Guildhall, St Helens Square.

Speakers include UNISON Regional Officer John Kinsella, Mark Russell of York RMT, and local pensioner (NPC) activist Les Marsh.

This is just a small proportion of the rallies...details are still emerging. If your town has a rally or march, please add them below.

Also, please visit your pickets and rallies with a camera, and post the story on Libcom and Indymedia etc!

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Mar 25 2006 20:39

Hi,

The ICC have produced a leaflet for the strike on Tuesday. It is available here in html...

http://en.internationalism.org/wr/292_pensions.html

...and here in PDF for download...

http://en.internationalism.org/files/en/292_unisonstrike.pdf

Beltov.

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Mar 26 2006 20:33

As an infreuent visitor, I don't know if that last post was meant to be sarcastic, but I read it that way and lol! red n black star red n black star

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Mar 27 2006 12:35

we've been told to get work ready for the agency workers tomorrow cause its not fair if they lose pay if theres no work for them while we strike... eek eek eek

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Mar 27 2006 13:05

I suggest you nod politely Lucy 82. Then do nothing.

Bosses. What are they like?

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Mar 27 2006 16:40

well i did nothing and asked other people to do nothing cause if we make it cosy for them in terms of 'operational difficulties' then we have to lose another two days pay on the planned strike days in april. by hometime, idiot boss did not have any 'planned work' on his desk for the agency staff tomorrow afaik. ha.

also had to laugh at the chief exec reassuring "those of you who intend to work as normal that managers will be in attendance at all operational buildings and if you decide to cross a picket line, you will be able to do so".

scary managers eh? that'll work. although sadly seeing as most people are taking it as a day off for a trip round the trafford centre there probably won't be much of a picket line to cross..

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Mar 27 2006 16:42

Right well my dept looks like not many are out, but it's HR... Even though I'm a temp my manager said I could take the day off. If I can I'll visit the picket line, if there is one...

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Mar 27 2006 16:50
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Thank fuck.

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Mar 27 2006 17:14
BB wrote:
Jack wrote:
Thank fuck.

Quality grin

true, but the lack of red n black star material is a bit of an embarrasment embarrassed

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Mar 27 2006 19:08

well it looks like i'll be going to work then while over a million strike/go shopping, if i strike i get the sack and hence cant afford to carry on thai boxing, thats thatchers 'i'm alright, fuck everyone else' tendency coming out in me, makes me sick but what do you do neutral

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Mar 27 2006 19:08

Well it's been a grim day day down south in leafy surrey - trying to get union members to strike is depressingly difficult. One of my colleagues has decided to strike after a lot of persuasion, but still she thought she had to tell the manager. I spent a long time explaining that she was not obliged to tell anyone as she had every right to turn up for work then refuse to cross the picket line, thus manager would not be pre-warned anyway, but she still left a note on managers desk. How polite. Manager is a union member too, but you 'd never know it. Another HUGE problem is that we have placards to raise but no sticks to stick them on. Oh groan.

One classic remark I heard today from a union member was 'we shouldn't strike, we should accept a loss of pension rights in support of all the other workers who have already been screwed over' (or words to that effect).

Well I'm going to heat up some soup for me flask - it's going to be a cold morning I suspect.

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Mar 27 2006 19:16

even the rep at my work isn't striking angry

and I'm such a lazy git I only got my application form in this week

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Mar 27 2006 19:27

Oh bloody hell what's the matter with everybody?! (you're colleagues that is, not you lot...) It seems like the union hasn't done much to rally support amongst it's own members, doe sit not really want to win the strike or something?

(Ooh, zobag in "i though unions were for the workers?!" libcom.org shocker!!!!! eek wink )

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Mar 27 2006 19:40

yeah but wasnt the vote turnout only 28%?

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Mar 27 2006 20:01

vote turn out might have been 28%, but my union, NAPO, voted 82% in favour of strike. But that might be 82% of the pathetic turn out to vote which i wouldn't be at all surprised was a mere 02.08% of the total staff. But this is not the kind of talk I want to read right now - I need something stirring and rousing, something to warm the cockles of my ageing rebellious heart on the eve of my self-destruction - one non-pc word on the picket line tomorrow and I'll be disciplined, I just know it.

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Mar 27 2006 20:04
zobag wrote:
Oh bloody hell what's the matter with everybody?! (you're colleagues that is, not you lot...) It seems like the union hasn't done much to rally support amongst it's own members, doe sit not really want to win the strike or something?

(Ooh, zobag in "i though unions were for the workers?!" libcom.org shocker!!!!! eek wink )

TBH I think the unions are trying their best. I think this is one of many cases where they're more militant than the workers right now.

A big problem is I think a lot will think they won't be working for local government forever, so who cares?

rkn turnout was 28% for unison's 900,000 people, but the other unions with what 600,000 altogether had an 80% turnout.

I've been basically told I can just not turn up. Will visit pickets at some point though if there are any...

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Mar 27 2006 20:19

Well, I'm going to tell everyone about the strike, how shit the union is, and if they were members of the shit union they could've been on strike and should join up in case anything else happens roll eyes

Steven they ain't trying at all near me, let alone their best.

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Mar 27 2006 20:20
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Well, I'm going to tell everyone about the strike, how shit the union is, and if they were members of the shit union they could've been on strike and should join up in case anything else happens roll eyes

Steven they ain't trying at all near me, let alone their best.

Who's "they"? If there aren't any militants there ain't no union!

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Mar 27 2006 20:22

It's been pretty bad, mobilisation-wise, up here. We have 3 UNISON armbands for 2 different work-sites, 2 placards per site, about 50 leaflets...

There's very little sense that we're about to enter into the biggest strike in living memory, but I think the strike in my workplace will be fairly solid, though with very minimal picketting. The senior UNISON rep has gone off sick today. roll eyes

On a positive note, IWW will be leafleting Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen.

red n black star

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Mar 27 2006 20:24
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Who's "they"? If there aren't any militants there ain't no union!

All nine, (yes nine, out of maybe 60-70 staff) including the shop steward.

zero effort. I was speaking to people about joining up today (as I have been for months, although I'm stepping up a bit now), none of them even know who or where the steward was...

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Mar 27 2006 20:30
Catch wrote:
Steven. wrote:

Who's "they"? If there aren't any militants there ain't no union!

All nine, (yes nine, out of maybe 60-70 staff) including the shop steward.

zero effort. I was speaking to people about joining up today (as I have been for months, although I'm stepping up a bit now), none of them even know who or where the steward was...

Do you think that's more to do with: 1. the union are shit, 2. workplace organisation in the country has been decimated?

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Mar 27 2006 20:32

Steven in "the unions are working in the interests of their membership!" libcom.org shocker!!!! eek eek

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