Anarkismo.net - thoughts, feedback and comments?

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Anarkismo.net - thoughts, feedback and comments?

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The indymedia thread got me thinking, what do you think of anarkismo.net? It hasn't been around very long, but it's pretty good, and has a lot of kinda stuff that we wanted libcom news to have (tho libcom news is very much in its infancy).

I know there are some people on here involved in it, and so I thought this'd be a good place as any to give them some feedback.

I'd say generally it is good, the best class struggle news site I've seen I think, but with a few small problems (please don't think I'm having a go!)

1. The foreign languages - could you not make the language option "sticky" so you only have to select it once?

2. No separation on main wire between news and comment/anarchist-specific stuff

3. The banner pic is way too busy, and I think maybe a tiny intro/site slogan near the top of the page would be good (the style reminds me of the WSM site banner - same designer, by any chance? wink)

4. Well I guess this'd be too big to change but I think the name's terrible!

www.anarkismo.net

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Dec 7 2005 15:30

i dont see what the point of it is - why does it exist when ainfos still works?!

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Dec 7 2005 16:37

Thanks for starting this thread - I'm going to point it out on our editorial list as it may well provide us some useful feedback.

John. wrote:
1. The foreign languages - could you not make the language option "sticky" so you only have to select it once?

We could set the site up so that it detected the language used in your browser and so only showed you the articles in that language. But so far we feel that would be a mistake - we want to expose English speakers in particular to the fact that there is a huge amount of material in other languages. The people whom English is not a first language feel that this is particularly necessary.

However you can cheat and simply bookmark the english language page of the site http://www.anarkismo.net/en and visit the site through that link.

John. wrote:
2. No separation on main wire between news and comment/anarchist-specific stuff

We are an anarchist communist site so we'd probably not see a reason for us to provide such a seperation. We want those who visit news articles to also learn about anarchist communism and get an anarchist communist analysis of the news.

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3. The banner pic is way too busy, and I think maybe a tiny intro/site slogan near the top of the page would be good (the style reminds me of the WSM site banner - same designer, by any chance? wink)

4. Well I guess this'd be too big to change but I think the name's terrible!

These two are related as we wanted the site to not be immediately locatable to any particular place or any particular language. The meaning of anarkismo is easy to guess at in many languages but unlike say anarchism.net it doesn't identify the site as being in English. Our multilingual stuff is limited at the moment because the user interface is in English but within months we'd hope to have it also available in other languages as well.

I don't see how the banner looks anything like the WSM one but the WSM one was actually nicked from the old US 'Ideas and Action' paper last published around 1986 I think. So I'd guess the WSM design is older than the person who designed the anarkismo banner. They were asked to produce something that was distinctive, anarchist, somehow reflected the politics of anarchist communism and that wasn't obviously from any one region. I think they did a fairly good job.

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i dont see what the point of it is - why does it exist when ainfos still works?!

There is a bit of crossover in terms of personnel but ainfos serves a different purpose than Anarkismo.net. Ainfos is a general class struggle news service run by volunteers. Anarkismo.net is a specifically anarchist communist news and discussion board ran by delegates from those anarchist communist groups who agree with its goals and editorial statement. Anarkismo.net also allows commenting on the articles - something that ainfos has no wish to develop.

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There is a bit of crossover in terms of personnel but ainfos serves a different purpose than Anarkismo.net. Ainfos is a general class struggle news service run by volunteers. Anarkismo.net is a specifically anarchist communist news and discussion board ran by delegates from those anarchist communist groups who agree with its goals and editorial statement. Anarkismo.net also allows commenting on the articles - something that ainfos has no wish to develop.

Cheers for the reply, my question wasnt meant to be hostile in anyway btw!

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Dec 7 2005 18:33
John. wrote:
1. The foreign languages - could you not make the language option "sticky" so you only have to select it once?

2. No separation on main wire between news and comment/anarchist-specific stuff

3. The banner pic is way too busy, and I think maybe a tiny intro/site slogan near the top of the page would be good (the style reminds me of the WSM site banner - same designer, by any chance? wink)

4. Well I guess this'd be too big to change but I think the name's terrible!

Just to add a couple of points to joe's response.

The banner was done by a different person altogether to the WSM's banner. Personally, I think that we could do with a banner that is more 'work-friendly'. We have also got a mult-lingual site slogan on the way - it's just waiting on me to put it in there (sadly, lots of things seem to be waiting for me).

The name does sound a bit funny to me, but it's way too late to change it and coming up with a language neutral name for a site is a really difficult thing to do - I certainly wasn't able to come up with anything better.

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Dec 7 2005 18:51

Hi

I love anarkismo.net. When i first heard about it i think i creamed my pants.

Also i had my suspicions from day one and eventually saw confirmation that the name was drawn from Esperanto. That's a brilliant move, and highly unexpeccted - it also works out nicely because as I told Andrew I'd like to start an Esperanto section of the site (I already have one short article up there).

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Dec 7 2005 19:43

Hi

There is no way I'm paying for you to come and stay with me.

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Dec 7 2005 19:48

Hi

I really enjoyed “An anarchist look at the world of the charity mugger” on anarksimo.

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Dec 7 2005 23:56

So did I, and I think there needs to be more cultural, op-ed type pieces of this sort. At the moment its a bit theory heavy - which is good and interesting, but a bit of a mix would make it a more varied read.

i like the name.

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Hi

Lazy Riser wrote:
Hi

There is no way I'm paying for you to come and stay with me.

Love

LR

Creaming of pants is an essential facet of proletarian cultural resistance and self-definition.

Or was it the Esperanto?

The proletarian political milieu recognizes only the international working class as a revolutionary subject, and the international working class can have only one revolutionary language. All other are the left of capital.

Love

Oliver,

For the ICOPO (International Communist One Person Organization)

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Hi

Just wanted to reiterate my love for left-communists, and hatred for left-of-capitalists.

Love (to all left-communists)

Oliver

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Dec 8 2005 15:01
Lazy Riser wrote:
I really enjoyed “An anarchist look at the world of the charity mugger” on anarksimo.

There is an equally good reply to it in the comments now from another WSMer who worked for several months in the same sector. It's at http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=1929

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Dec 8 2005 19:17

Hi

If the reply is the comment about the works inaccuracy, I can't say I share your oppinion of it.

http://www.anarkismo.net/newswire.php?story_id=1929&print_page=true&include_comments=true

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Dec 8 2005 19:20

Hi

Sorry. That wasn't very nice. I just think it came over a bit, you know, moral. As if we owe charities a favour or something.

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Dec 9 2005 14:05
Lazy Riser wrote:
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Sorry. That wasn't very nice. I just think it came over a bit, you know, moral. As if we owe charities a favour or something.

Love

LR

hi LR,

I know the comment's author and he is from a country more likely to receive than give aid. While I think that we should be critical of a lot of aid / charity efforts from the p.o.v. of someone who may need to depend on such aid or charity for survival charity is better than starving. (though I expect the ICC would disagree with that).

He does take a rather optimistic view of charities - still if he stays long enough in the cynical anglo-irish culture he is in now I'm sure it'll rub off. wink

martin

it's understandable that

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gurrier wrote:
I think that we could do with a banner that is more 'work-friendly'..

Yeah I agree

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We have also got a mult-lingual site slogan on the way - it's just waiting on me to put it in there (sadly, lots of things seem to be waiting for me)

Yeah that will be good

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The name does sound a bit funny to me, but it's way too late to change it and coming up with a language neutral name for a site is a really difficult thing to do - I certainly wasn't able to come up with anything better.

I don't know the Esperanto word for "solidarity" but I bet it sounds better than "anarchy" with a "k" (which does look a bit johnny rotten puuunk destroyyyyy etc.)

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We could set the site up so that it detected the language used in your browser and so only showed you the articles in that language. But so far we feel that would be a mistake - we want to expose English speakers in particular to the fact that there is a huge amount of material in other languages. The people whom English is not a first language feel that this is particularly necessary.

However you can cheat and simply bookmark the english language page of the site http://www.anarkismo.net/en and visit the site through that link.

Unfortunately that only works until you make your first click, then all the other stuff pops up. This makes it look on most pages that there are only about 3 other English-language stories there. If you want to keep the initial multi-lingual feel, couldn't you just make the language choice "sticky" so once you've selected you lang for the first time in a session it stays in that till the end, or till you select otherwise?

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We are an anarchist communist site so we'd probably not see a reason for us to provide such a seperation. We want those who visit news articles to also learn about anarchist communism and get an anarchist communist analysis of the news.

Ah. Hmmm I spose that'll be more of a political disagreement with me and you WSM lot then. Hmm although I dunno. Is anarkismo aimed at people who are a-comms already then? If so this makes sense. (But I'd disagree with it anyway)

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I don't see how the banner looks anything like the WSM one

Ah it just looks really *busy*, with loads of pics photoshopped together.

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I think they did a fairly good job.

One way of improving it easily would be sorting out the quality, it looks really pixellated and shite. Using a websafe palette for the red in ".net" would be good.

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Dec 9 2005 18:08
John. wrote:
I don't know the Esperanto word for "solidarity" but I bet it sounds better than "anarchy" with a "k" (which does look a bit johnny rotten puuunk destroyyyyy etc.)

Yeah, I get a touch of this from the name - but the content of the site should put any such impressions to bed soon enough, I also don't think it has the same feel in other languages.

John. wrote:
Unfortunately that only works until you make your first click, then all the other stuff pops up. This makes it look on most pages that there are only about 3 other English-language stories there. If you want to keep the initial multi-lingual feel, couldn't you just make the language choice "sticky" so once you've selected you lang for the first time in a session it stays in that till the end, or till you select otherwise?

Good idea

*adds sugestion to world's longest todo list*

John. wrote:

Ah. Hmmm I spose that'll be more of a political disagreement with me and you WSM lot then. Hmm although I dunno. Is anarkismo aimed at people who are a-comms already then? If so this makes sense. (But I'd disagree with it anyway)

I kinda like the idea of seperating out news and analysis. This is easy to do with the new software version (to see an example: http://www.indymedia.ie/devel/) and I might mock up a proposal for anarkismo when I get a chance.

John. wrote:

One way of improving it easily would be sorting out the quality, it looks really pixellated and shite. Using a websafe palette for the red in ".net" would be good.

Yep, that's a good suggestion - I'll look into doing it when we upgrade.

Thanks for the suggestions.

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Dec 9 2005 19:22

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John. wrote:

I don't know the Esperanto word for "solidarity" but I bet it sounds better than "anarchy" with a "k" (which does look a bit johnny rotten puuunk destroyyyyy etc.)

It's Solidareco (pronouned sohl-eed-ar-ets-o)

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Dec 19 2005 14:16

hi,

I think the site 'Anarkismo' (eek!) is terrible platformist rubbish . The best thing about it is the insular and self reflective news that could only appeal to the 15-20 people left globally who share their outdated and outgunned politic. Sorry to be harsh but this site is eating up valuable webspace, take it down for the love of god.

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Dec 19 2005 23:22

Just read the articles on work and on primitivism - interesting and more relevant than most stuff i've read on those somewhat tired topics IMO, even if i don't *totally* agree with them... good post-article debates as well, which IMO more newswire type sites need...

Haven't read any of the rest of it yet, but IMO it looks good (easy to read, nice looking format... i like the banner, even if it is a bit demo-fetishising looking wink )... and anarkismo's a shitload of a better name than what sounds like, well, what www.libcom.org actually is, IMO... tongue

will have to look into the politics of the WSM a bit more before i uncritically support it, but nice site imo...

Admin edit - libcom.com mis-spelled url changed. Grrrr.

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Dec 20 2005 02:14

i like anarkismo on the whole, the banner is the only thing i would change

what's ainfos? confused

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Dec 20 2005 02:19

www.ainfos.ca

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www.ainfos.ca

cheers i remember that now, i find it far to confusing to actually read tbh than anarkismo (which thinking about it sounds too much like machismo)

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cheers i remember that now, i find it far to confusing to actually read tbh than anarkismo (which thinking about it sounds too much like machismo)

i said that right at the start! But it's ok, its esperanto...

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I think the site 'Anarkismo' (eek!) is terrible platformist rubbish . The best thing about it is the insular and self reflective news that could only appeal to the 15-20 people left globally who share their outdated and outgunned politic. Sorry to be harsh but this site is eating up valuable webspace, take it down for the love of god.

You care to elaborate on/explain that?

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I just got asked my opinion of anarkismo via email by someone and was going to direct him here, but I see some things a bit differently now, so thought I'd clarify...

From my first post:

John. wrote:
I'd say generally it is good, the best class struggle news site I've seen I think, but with a few small problems (please don't think I'm having a go!)

Well I think those small problems I mentioned are still there. But as for my initial comment: "the best class struggle news site I've seen" I think I was being a little over-generous... TBH and not wanting to blow our own horn but I think libcom has surpassed it in terms of coverage of struggles (has anarkismo wound down a bit, in terms of frequency of stories?). Now, partly cos there are so many sites, and partly cos of the other problems with anarkismo (the foreign-language pieces mostly, but also the fact that a lot of the articles aren't news they're ads for events or quite slogan-heavy statements or ) if I read any articles there it's through www.libcom.org/news/feeds

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i said that right at the start! But it's ok, its esperanto...

Dodgy Esperanto because it should be anarkiismo with a double 'i'. But that would not be as user friendly as anarkismo - which is a good sounding name, international in character and recognisable in many languages.

Solidareco, libereco, etc all sound good in Esperanto but would be pronounced solidarecko and liberecko by your average english speaker - and that'd sound total pants.

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Mar 15 2006 16:29

Well the official story is that the name is drawn from Esperanto, and not actually taken straight out of it.

'klasbatalo' sounds nice and is english-speaker friendly... 'sennaciismo' less so

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OliverTwister wrote:
Well the official story is that the name is drawn from Esperanto, and not actually taken straight out of it.

'klasbatalo' sounds nice and is english-speaker friendly... 'sennaciismo' less so

Even the translation of sennaciismo doesn't work - Non-nationalism? Anationalism? Lanti rocks, by the way!

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Mar 15 2006 16:36

So you mean it's not a site set -up by circle A eskimos eek

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Mar 16 2006 01:09

i'm just in the act of logging off, quickly point out that the most recent english language article is the analysis of the dublin riots, putting it well behind libcom. Maybe the french revolt issue is in french...?