A wobbly perspective on 'unions'

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Nov 7 2006 20:58
A wobbly perspective on 'unions'

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There's been a lot of discussion lately about what some wobblies say when they mean 'union'. This article appeared in the november edition of the "Industrial Worker", it seemed appropriate to share for discussing the meaning of 'union'.

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dgrrp3x8_4gqsmv7

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Nov 9 2006 01:02

I hear the author is a chump.

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Nov 9 2006 04:10

A damn fine article if I have to say so me-self. I've been working on some articles about solidarity unionism and how it changes the conception of what is meant by a union for wobblies too, but haven't gotten the gaw to publish it yet.

Hey seeing as the OBU is spurring hella mad ill discussion yo, forum masters should set up a wobbly forum eh?

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Nov 9 2006 20:44

Yes a forum would rock. Wobs represent!

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Nov 9 2006 22:11

I suggested a while ago that we (IWW) has a forum on libcom but quite rightly I think the majority didn't support the idea as IWW isn't an anarchist organisation although there are a lot of anarchists in it.

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Nov 9 2006 22:59
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I think the majority didn't support the idea as IWW isn't an anarchist organisation although there are a lot of anarchists in it.

Wot? Who cares if its not specifically anarchist, its still a libertarian working-class organisation. We want a IWW forum.

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Nov 10 2006 00:19

totally. Or let's call it "IWW for people of libcom persuasion" or some other such thing.

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Nov 10 2006 11:12
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let's call it "IWW for people of libcom persuasion"

grin

i suppose that's one way round it. still not sure though

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Nov 10 2006 11:46

IWW already has extensive forums - http://www.iww.org/en/forum - perhaps a prominent link in libcom forum section?

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Nov 10 2006 15:32

Yeah, I'm all for a Wobbly forum on libcom. Lets do it.

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Nov 10 2006 15:42

the IWW would be welcome to have one if they wanted...

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Nov 10 2006 16:22

Come on you lot... we do have such a thing as accountability in the IWW, y'know! It should at least be suggested on the IWW internal list first. Alternatively, I don't see any reason why it couldn't be a forum for "Wobbly Libcommers" rather than the IWW as a whole.

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Nov 10 2006 16:28
EdmontonWobbly wrote:
I hear the author is a chump.

grin

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Nov 13 2006 07:52

I am a firm believe in the culture of accountability as well. For that reason I don't think this should be a board that is an official IWW thing. Since it's not, we can call it whatever and wobbly litcommies sounds fine to me. This would make sense as its a place for wobblies of the libcom persuasion to discuss and clarify issues.

Whatever we call it I'm just down to get it rolling, and tie together these threads that are now spread across libcom. Any thoughts on making it happen?

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Nov 14 2006 01:30
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Any thoughts on making it happen?

From John's comment above it seems we just gotta say the word. Once a name is decided upon that is. "Wobbly Libcommers" is OK, or possibly something broader like "revolutionary unionism" that we all wink at each other like we know its a euphimism for IWW whilst not officially representing the organisation? - Like I'm not even a member (just a former member of the defunct Brisbane branch) but I'm keen to keep up with debates and perspectives coz if the situation is right the IWW would prob be my first suggestion to organize with.

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Nov 14 2006 18:37

I think that this is a reasonable compromise - having a Wobbly libcom forum while maintaining the culture of accountability in the union by keeping it as an unofficial, Wob forum for libcommers.

As for a name, I'm not too picky. "Wobbly Libcommers", "revolutionary unionism", "industrial unionism", "this is not a wobbly forum", "autonomous class struggle for dummies", "Fred".....

Any other suggestions?

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Nov 14 2006 19:35

I'm friendly to any name, I just want to clarify that members or non-members can participate so in some ways its a moot point.

wobbly libcommies is good, i'm down with revolutionary industrial unionism too

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Nov 14 2006 22:59

Yeah, Wobbly Libcommers, Libcom Wobblies or revolutionary industrial unionism are all okay with me.

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Nov 15 2006 00:06

It is a moot point coz it seems everyone's happy with really any name. We do gotta make a decision though. I vote for 'revolutionary industrial unionism' coz this will imply that all people interested in this philosophy will be welcome. The fact that it will in practice be IWW dominated will just reflect that the IWW is currently the biggest org of this type.

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Nov 15 2006 12:11

i vote libcom wobblies. the problem with revolutionary industrial unionism is that's very close to what SolFed are arguing for, and people without a lot of knowledge about the differences might get confused

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Nov 16 2006 05:17

Yeah if Rev Unionism is too vague I agree with Libcom wobblies.

I just realised anyway that I'm not even a current member so my vote should be ignored.

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Nov 16 2006 21:54

'Libcom wobblies'

speak now, or forever rest ye

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Nov 16 2006 22:08

Womblies!

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Nov 16 2006 22:11

That was a joke. I second "Libcom Wobblies." Thanks for raising that idea, Booey. I'm not totally clear on something though - the woblibcom forum's not really gonna be limited to wobs, right? (Is that possible?) It's more like a place for those of us who are wobs and interested other folks to cluster and discuss, right?

Once the form stuff's settled, can we then talk about this chump's article? smile

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Nov 17 2006 00:27

Libcom Wobblies sounds good to me! And yes, I think this forum should be open to non-members.

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Nov 17 2006 04:34

I didn't mean to imply it would be wobbly only, the contrary I too think it should be like all the other forums; open.

f* this article, service-unionism4life dawgz

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Nov 17 2006 04:48

It makes sense to me that you don't have to ask permission before discussing it on a board and if you always get posts of a particular topic it's fine to accomidate it with it's own section.

I don't recall libcom having asked all of North America or even a more manageable chuck of people like Surrey or East Anglia if we could have a forum for them.

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Nov 19 2006 13:49

So, we're all in agreement? Libcom Wobblies, a forum open to whoever. Is there anything else we need to do to make this happen?

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Nov 19 2006 23:17

Catch the eye of some Libcom admin person who can set up such a forum for us.

Cooo-eee! Can we have a forum please?

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Nov 21 2006 05:07

Reminder: someone please set up a forum for us

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Nov 21 2006 08:14

Look here: http://libcom.org/forums/feedback-and-content/libcom-wobblies