norwich cheap/free living guide

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alegria
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Oct 18 2006 22:31
norwich cheap/free living guide

post ideas, references and stuff we should include here!

rich
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Oct 19 2006 18:38

Stuff from student guide:
Car boot guide
Free contraception

Soup kitchens
Cheapest cafes
Good skips
best sources cheap furniture etc.
Guide to resources for claiming benefits: refurbishment grants etc.
Links for best advice services

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Nov 6 2006 00:01

We should include a bit about free food, as in foraging. I could do some writing for that.

rich
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Nov 7 2006 16:43

good to see your choiness on here!

rich
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Nov 16 2006 18:20

I'm researching the pensioner pamphlet thing now. Looks more like it's going to have to be a list of advice lines at the moment. There is a certain amount of crossover.

People who give people secondhand furniture:

NORWICH
NORFOLK HOMEMAKERS
5a Beckham Place
Norfolk
NR3 3DZ
t: 01603 633340

NORWICH
YMCA NORFOLK
48 St Giles Street
Norwich
NR2 1LP
Tel: 01603 760485

There are also some intriguing schemes like:
Here To Help
Click here for more info
When you ring up use Option 2 (0845 605 2535)
British Gas customers get full here to help support, anyone can get free insulation. They’ll send someone out: Subject to survey proof of benefits
100% rebate council
Income support 14600 or les full household
Only for private or rented and need permission in writing from landlord. Not for council/social housing.

Will start some new threads

rich
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Nov 16 2006 18:30

And in general, I think we should only have minimal reference to living out of skips/foraging type stuff. Most people aren't going to want to, no matter how skint they are. That said, a lot of people aren't going to want to eat out of a soup kitchen/get stuff off a charity, even claim all (or any of) their benefits.

Perhaps we should contain a part about people's right to benefits: that it is nothing to be ashamed of. It's a big hurdle. Some people die of cold rather than claim benefits sad Thoughts?

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Nov 16 2006 18:41
rich wrote:
Stuff from student guide:
Car boot guide
Free contraception

Soup kitchens
Cheapest cafes
Good skips
best sources cheap furniture etc.
Guide to resources for claiming benefits: refurbishment grants etc.
Links for best advice services

UEA put skips and soup kitchens in their student guide?

rich
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Nov 16 2006 18:43

No in the Other Guide that I did! The other stuff below the line break is just other ideas.

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Nov 16 2006 18:45

i was gonna say i know uea is shit but...

(wink)

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Nov 16 2006 19:41

Editted cos Rich had already mentioned homemakers

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Nov 17 2006 09:35

- freecycle!
- and stuff like that, the free exchange sites and whatnot. craigslist has free/swapping stuff on it too doesn't it? like free holidays by flat swapping.
- charity shops
- growing your own food you can save money, we have some stuff in our organise section about that
- health + fitness, maybe something about doing that free? there are websites... JDMF knows some

I agree it might be best to put stuff about skips at the end - though it is getting wider exposure. There was a feature on skipping/"freeganism" in the Metro lifestlye section the other week

We'd be up for putting this guide in our organise personal section, if that's ok by you? and you could put in some of that stuff about debt perhaps?

And as you're anarchists it may be worth mentioning that a way of "saving money" is to try to win higher wages...

rich
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Nov 17 2006 12:53

Cheers John. and stinkerbell! It would be a good idea to have a section on raising wages... AFAIK not many/any of the people likely to write for this have much experience of successful workplace organising. Perhaps we could ask some wobblies to write something?

The idea of the guide (I thought anyway) that it would be as much about empowering the people involved, so although a lot of it is probably relating to charities, we want to emphasise the self-help/mutual aid element.

Can you really save money growing your own food? It always seems pretty expensive to me...

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Nov 17 2006 13:42

I think there's a LLETS scheme in Norwich, they have a pigeon hole at the Greenhouse I think...that might be worth putting in

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Nov 17 2006 13:49
rich wrote:
Can you really save money growing your own food? It always seems pretty expensive to me...

really?

pop seeds in ground---> wait----> untold veg.

supermarkets sell seeds in handy pocket ready packs, very cheap wink

I've got a jammy mate who lives next to borough market - the biggest but also most pretentious and expensive food market in london. Ppl will travel from islington to buy stuff specially.
He gets the lot for free at the end of the day, the traders even package it for him grin

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Nov 18 2006 01:02

There's a fair few articles from now or never! that have some good information on stuff like this. We could include them (perhaps we'll need to do a bit of editing for length) if Tug and Stinkerbell will let us. Something like this could be mutually beneficial for both groups, because on these pages, we can put something like 'taken from now or never! Send £1 to this address for a copy....' at the bottom.

rich
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Nov 18 2006 11:57

Good idea Milky Joe.

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Nov 18 2006 12:08
rich wrote:
Cheers John. and stinkerbell! It would be a good idea to have a section on raising wages... AFAIK not many/any of the people likely to write for this have much experience of successful workplace organising. Perhaps we could ask some wobblies to write something?

hmmm well our 2 or 3 of our introductory articles might be alright i think?
http://libcom.org/organise/organising-at-work-the-basics
http://libcom.org/organise/organising-at-work-some-basic-principles
http://libcom.org/organise/organising-your-workplace

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Can you really save money growing your own food? It always seems pretty expensive to me...

Nah you can save money, esp if you grow some expensive vegetables. Our housemate was growing stuff, the cherry tomatoes were probably the best.

rich
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Nov 18 2006 12:38

Thanks John.

Those articles are really good. Is there any plan for the organise section to be easy to see everything like it used to be? The illustrations are nice too. Looking at all the info it may well be beyond the scope of the guide to have a full on going into it. Maybe that would be a good side project? (Like we don't have enough to do already!) We could have a page or so talking about the necessity of it, and then include details of how to get the next booklet? Or is there a decent guide to organising your workplace already in existence (as a booklet)? I'm wary of relying on internet links because a lot of people we want to read our stuff will have no access to the internet.

rich
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Nov 18 2006 12:45

Another thing I'd like to have in there is a guide to suing your bank for bank charges. There's sod all info in print about this. I'm early in the process of doing this myself. Hoepfully I'll be able to report back with personal testimony on this one...

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Nov 20 2006 10:30

I'm doing that at the moment - I wrote an article in Now or Never about it ages ago that might help, and I can give you a copy of the letter I sent etc, it's a standard one that anyone can use...might all be a bit long though..

If you want any NoN! articles, let Tug know and he'll email them to you

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Nov 20 2006 21:47

hey guys,

this as all great stuff, but i just thought i'd point out that unless we want to turn this into a world directory of cheap stuff, we should probably focus on the specifically norwich/norfolk aspects! some things overlap, and can be norwich accesible but not necessarily in norwich, like freecycle.

as for talking about workplace organisation, while thats an entirely praiseworthy thing to do in its own right, i dont think its very appropriate to the aim of the guide. for one thing its not relevant to everyone we want to reach with this, which would include homeworkers, students, unemployed people, homeless people, pensioners. unless we want to write a book about how each of these groups should collectively organise, we're kind of totally going off topic.

just my views, based on the original idea for the guide.

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Nov 20 2006 23:31
alegria wrote:
this as all great stuff, but i just thought i'd point out that unless we want to turn this into a world directory of cheap stuff, we should probably focus on the specifically norwich/norfolk aspects!

There's only so much information on cheap living that's specific to Norwich. I expect that most things will be applicable to the entire nation.

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as for talking about workplace organisation, while thats an entirely praiseworthy thing to do in its own right, i dont think its very appropriate to the aim of the guide. for one thing its not relevant to everyone we want to reach with this

The part about workplace organisation doesn't have to be very long. A paragraph would do. Just because everyone we're trying to reach might not be in full time employment doesn't mean that we shouldn't include information for the people that are. The way I see it, we should have information about workplace organisation, unemployment benefits, pensioner benefits, information for homeless people (info on soup kitchens, squating, etc). If a certain section doesn't apply to someone, they can ignore it.

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Nov 20 2006 23:54

I can't wait for this, so i can rip it off and claim all the hard work as my own. Good work folks smile

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Nov 21 2006 13:54
rich wrote:
Thanks John.

Those articles are really good. Is there any plan for the organise section to be easy to see everything like it used to be?

Yes it's coming very soon! Apologies for the delay.

The workplace organising section is basically all here:
http://libcom.org/organise/workplace-organising

this could be a booklet, in time we plan to publish it, but it'll be a little while. I'm not aware of any other such leaflets though.

rich
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Nov 21 2006 16:35

I think perhaps we should do a general cheap living thing - with things like organising at work, claiming back bank charges etc. with local supplements. That way we would be producing something of value for other anarchist groups in different parts of the country. I think we should work on the local stuff first, as it is a smaller project and we've got a lot on at the moment.

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Nov 21 2006 16:46

Hmm maybe once you've got it done if you chuck it up as raw text on the wiki as well it can be worked on and expanded as and when?