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bryan bamford nv
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Apr 24 2005 08:24
G8 in the NORTH.

Northern anarchists from the NAN and members of the Manchester Social Forum were present at the G8 conference in Manchester on Saturday April 23rd. Also present were Kick Start, CND, lots of students and Workers Power. Notable by their absence was the SWP and RESPECT; no doubt they were out on election business.

In the morning Paul Cammack, a classical Marxist from Manchester Metropolitan University, argued against Blair's Commission for Africa. 'A cloak of moral virtue to legitimise a neo-liberal Trojan Horse' was his view.

John Nicholson gave a paper entitle 'No Borders' arguing that national borders are not a natural feature of life.

Dr Ed Amman Addressed the issue of Globalisation, 'development', and Latin America. He examined the evolution of the neo-liberal agenda in Latin America since the 1980s. He tackled the recent dramatic events in Bolivia and Ecuador, as well as earlier events in Argentina, Brazil, Mexico and Venezula. He was also critical of the 'one party state' in Cuba. A questioner from the Revolutionary Communist Group made a terrible gaff, which he later admitted, when he said 'these people (Latin Americans) are

mostly illiterate and therefore don't have politics'. To suggest that illiterate people are too dumb to understand what to do is typical of some Marxists. How come the less school educated Spaniards in the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s put a better fight against Fascism than the highly educated German socialists and communists did against the Nazis?

The Plenary: Introducing Direct Action was addressed by Alison Crane of CND and Mark Hoskisson (Workers Power). We said we would try to get something on the G8 put on the agenda of the National Annual Conference of the TUCs to be held in Liverpool in June.

In the afternoon, Alison Crane (CND) did sessions on 'Exploring Active non-violence' and 'Dealing with confrontation'. Alex (Northern Arts Tactical Offensive) gave a session on Subvertising on how to do radical graffiti on posters and advertisements: how to hijack the message by adbusting.

In the Plenary: Where Next:

It was observed that G8 tended to call meetings which clashed with the Thursday meetings of the MANCHESTER SOCIAL FORUM. It was suggested that this be avoided in future. A northern anarchist pointed out that while the Workers Power group has considerable influence among the students: the MANCHESTER SOCIAL FORUM has strong links with the Manchester workers and trade unions. In this respect it would be absurd to organise meetings that clash. The G8 group said they would consider this at their next meeting on this coming Thursday.

bryan bamford nv
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May 7 2005 06:14

It was reported at the Manchester Social Forum last Thursday night that the G8 Group in Manchester has decided to continue to organised their meetings to clash with the Social Forum. They are doing thid despite our request that we collaborate. In this situation The Manchester Social Forum has decided to suspend their meeting next Thursday and to attend the Manchester G8 meeting instead.

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May 7 2005 08:55
bryan bamford nv wrote:
It was reported at the Manchester Social Forum last Thursday night that the G8 Group in Manchester has decided to continue to organised their meetings to clash with the Social Forum. They are doing thid despite our request that we collaborate.

you make it sound like its some deliberate sinister strategy to exclude you.

have you actually asked them why they're not changing their meeting time?

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May 8 2005 18:49

THIS IS A BLOODY OUTRAGE! Down with this sort of thing. IT'S terrible!

yours enraged

Major Capt'n Mission (esquire)

tumbridge wells

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May 8 2005 19:02

"It was observed that G8 tended to call meetings which clashed with the Thursday meetings of the MANCHESTER SOCIAL FORUM"

The timing of Genova was *totally* inconvenient, we'd booked the pub and everything...

NORTH!

NORTH!

NORTH!

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May 8 2005 19:07

Sorry Lazlo this is a local forum for local people. Fuck off back to oxford you shandy drinking two-bit corperate watching coperate whore.

Now getting back on topic- black pudding friend or foe?

ftony
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May 9 2005 08:33

foe. no true revolutionary movement can thrive with that level of fat in their system!

beanis
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May 9 2005 09:15

black pudding is rubbish.

what you want is a nice pie

captainmission
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May 9 2005 13:15

i tried feeding me whippet a nice pie though. It wasn't having any of it. But it was a thursday night so it was probably to busy thinking of the MANCHESTER SOCIAL FORUM!

Steve
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May 9 2005 13:21

It's probably the influence of people from SOUTH Manchester who are behind this. They are not TRUE NORTHERN ANARCHISTS.

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May 9 2005 15:38

It is outrageous that the NAN is being snubbed in this way. I think there should be more SOLIDARITY with NAN, particularly if MANCHESTER is going to take itself seriously as the reborn spirit of BARCELONA.

Steve
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May 9 2005 15:43

Hang on Ipswich is in SUFFOLK not even NOR(TH)FOLK

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May 9 2005 15:45

Are you calling into question IPSWICH'S position as an oppressed county of the NORTH?

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May 9 2005 17:11
Steve wrote:
They are not TRUE NORTHERN ANARCHISTS.

cry

This hurts more than the time Fiona Bruce laughed when I asked her to marry me.

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May 9 2005 18:43

grrr, i smell OUTSIDERS playing with this thread. polluting it with their DIRTY ways, trying to divide the people of the NORTH-WEST. This is a NORTH-WEST forum. Shoo, all the rest of YOU.

capt, i'm glad you got that poor whippet out of jeremy hardys ARSE.

and how can a combination of lumps of GREY pig fat and blood not be totally delicious?

for all you poor sods forced to eat food outside the NORTH-WEST, heres some useful information from a foody website.

Quote:
Right now, top of the pile is the Fat Duck in Bray, Berkshire, presided over by the plainly eccentric and brilliant Heston Blumenthal, to whom we all owe an immense debt of gratitude. Heston takes his cooking seriously: he once contributed a recipe for egg and chips that required the white of the egg and the yolk to be cooked separately — and a coq au vin that seemed to take months to prepare.

Recently, at his restaurant, I ate a dish that somehow combined cauliflower, chocolate and jelly.

mmmmmmmmm......... tasty.

seriously though, it can be annoying when you want to go to 2 meetings at the same time but this is the way things go. thursdays, for whatever reason, seem to be the most popular day to meet up. it seems to me that the manchester social forum people could discuss whether to shift their meeting to avoid the conflict if its going to happen a lot or decide that one person goes to the g8 meeting and reports back. don't shout at me. i'm just trying to be helpful.

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May 10 2005 14:09

The dilemma of two meetings has never been a probs for me, I fuck um both off and get laid instead!! It works Bry, ya should try it

Engelbert Humperdink, beware the chrisp eeek.

bryan bamford nv
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May 12 2005 23:22

Is't it nice to see Preston Solidarity Federation out of the closet again? They so much prefer the shadows! And only venture out every Preston Guild.

Steve
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May 12 2005 23:45

Oh hark at him. Knows fuck all about what we do in PRESTON. Nowt happening in Rochdale? No meetings to go to? No Spaniards to lie to?

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May 12 2005 23:49
bryan bamford nv wrote:
Is't it nice to see Preston Solidarity Federation out of the closet again? They so much prefer the shadows! And only venture out every Preston Guild.

Btw What do you know of the sexuality of members of Preston SF? I'll set Brighid on you if you’re not careful.

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May 13 2005 06:37

thats what i love most, the feeling of unity in the north...

heres a suggestion, bryan if you want to have a go at preston, can you do it by pm cause its getting seriously boring watching people rehash old arguments in public.

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May 13 2005 12:07
lucy82 wrote:
thats what i love most, the feeling of unity in the north...

heres a suggestion, bryan if you want to have a go at preston, can you do it by pm cause its getting seriously boring watching people rehash old arguments in public.

i think its quite amusing actually.....................

violet black star

lucy82
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May 13 2005 16:38

thats because you have a very, very high boredom threshold. very useful for playing scrabble (the most boring game ever invented) on the internet.

tongue

Oi!
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May 13 2005 17:24

Yes, let's leave it in the open.

Every Monday at 8pm, tuesday and thursday at 7:30pm I log onto the soap opera that is the NW forum in direct opposition to the BBC's attempts to Londonise me with their thinly veiled propaganda called Eastenders, which incidentally has no gravy in the chippy!!!

(OK, I lied about Thursday nights as this is when I attempt to physically occupy 2 spaces at once through the power of thought because of the clash of meetings. See bad planning is good for adventures into the metaphysical side of M/C politics, a vastly undervalued area of anarchism ) roll eyes

PS:The painkillers I am on didn't mention any side effects similar to LSD

bryan bamford nv
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May 14 2005 10:03

Like I said Steve it's nice to see you & Preston Solidarity Federation out of the closet again. You weren't to be seen on the Manchester electricians' successful picket of Blackburn hospital last year.

The politics of the Manchester G8 needs a bit of analysis. I think I have mentioned the the influence of the Manchester Workers Power group on the students at Manchester University. Despite their name they have little contact with local workers.

The Manchester Social Forum has been going for the best part of a year: meeting every week. It has provided a forum for political activists in the region and helped to engage in many events local, regional, national and international. Workers Power was involved in the Peoples Assembly/Manchester Social Forum up to just over a year ago. It then decided it had other priorities and left. About a year ago Workers Power set up the Manchester European Social Forum Mobilising Committee. This was seen by some as rival to the Manchester Social Forum: it flopped after it was pointed out that a local Social Forum already existed.

It is understandable then that Workers Power should be wary about the local Socal Forum in Manchester. The Manchester Social Forum has a history of ongoing involvement in local campaigns: the Manchester electricians' disputes; the Swinton land grabs; the M&S pickets; Asylum Seekers campaigns; the Caterpillar issue in Salford etc. Workers Power, like the SWP, is less tenacious.

However, last Thursday's meeting of the Manchester G8 was constructive and practical. The Manchester Social Forum accounted for about a third of those present at the meeting, again there was no noticable SWP presence. The problems were about which days during the G8 Summit were the most important for our attendance and what should constitute the 'core attivities' of our participation. There are plans for special banner, badge making get-togethers and advice on transportation was considered.

Next Thursday the Manchester Social Forum will most likely meet at The Basement on Lever Street, rather than at the Friends: G8 will be on the agenda.

Ah yes, then there is Steve's reference to Rochdale! Well, perhaps he has been in the closet so long that he hasn't heard of our involvement in the SAVE SPODDEN VALLEY campaign in Rochdale against Countryside Properties, which plans to build 650 houses on the site of a former asbestos factory. It's been well covered in PRIVATE EYE & NORTHERN VOICES among other publications such as the MANCHESTER TIMES. Perhaps he should have attended the 'SHOCK OF THE NEW' meeting the Social Forum, Tameside TUC and Northern Voices organised for the ROCHDALE SAVE SPODDEN VALLEY CAMPAIGN & the Manchester electricians, in April, in Manchester.

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May 14 2005 10:13

There is an error in the third paragraph above: The Manchester Social Forum/Peoples Assembly has been going for almost 2 years and not 'the best part of a year' as stated above.

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May 14 2005 22:17
bryan bamford nv wrote:
Like I said Steve it's nice to see you & Preston Solidarity Federation out of the closet again. ...

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...Ah yes, then there is Steve's reference to Rochdale! Well, perhaps he has been in the closet so long that he hasn't heard of our involvement in the SAVE SPODDEN VALLEY campaign...

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May 15 2005 19:56

lol

so politically

im leaving brum and moving to

brum. smile roll eyes tongue

fantastic.

gotta love the unity and solidarity wink

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May 15 2005 20:10

Don't worry, most of us up here get on just fine.

Oi!
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May 15 2005 22:16

Even the Man U fans and haters of Man U have been known to have a pint together smile