Windows Vista comes, hope you are not ready!

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Jan 29 2007 22:14
Windows Vista comes, hope you are not ready!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6309651.stm

While Microsoft puts on sale its' new expensive Windows Vista I'd like to remind you people that there is another alternative, Linux. Some months ago I got fed up with the slow, unstable and (it was) hell of expensive Windows XP. Friend of mine recomended me to try Linux so I tried operating system called Ubuntu. It is totally graphical and very user friendly. Using Ubuntu isn't really more difficult than using Windows. Things are only done differently so it might take some time to get used to it. I learnt all the stuff what normal (surfing, e-mail writing,essay writing etc.) user needs in a week and it is working better than I could had ever thought. I will never ever wanna have Windows on my computer again. If you are interested in having Ubuntu on your computer there is couple of links to get started:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GettingUbuntu – place where to download Ubuntu and get help for installation

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ - General help for using Ubuntu

http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ - Place to ask help for problems you can't solve yourself. More advanced users are generally really helpful

ENJOY!

ps. Ubuntu (in basically any language you can ever imagine) and all the programs for it all totally free!

Mike Harman
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Jan 29 2007 23:09

Hi E-P, welcome to the boards.

Yeah I have a dual-boot XP/Ubuntu setup on my PC at home and XP will be the last MS operating system I ever use. I've had the misfortune to experience the absolute horror that is IE7 at work, and won't let Windows 'upgrade' it from the equally shit IE6 on my home box either - I can only imagine what an entire operating system full of "phishing filters" and other crap (Digital Rights Management!!!) will be like.

BBC wrote:
You could argue that XP isn't broken.."

But you'd be wrong...

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Jan 29 2007 23:11

I wrestled with Ubuntu last around 9 months ago and I nearly killed myself trying to get my WLAN card to work.

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Jan 29 2007 23:19

Could anyone give a rundown on the various DRM bound to be included in Vista? Am I wrong that most of that will be counteracted by cracks? I know that if a program includes real-time encryption algorhythms which access the internet for constant updates, it can be nearly impossible to crack.

Mike Harman
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Jan 29 2007 23:41
rkn wrote:
I wrestled with Ubuntu last around 9 months ago and I nearly killed myself trying to get my WLAN card to work.

Yeah I had some trouble with a wireless adapter and ubuntu, although it was on a very old pc and I got it working after a bit.

Mike Harman
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Jan 29 2007 23:46

Probably not pirated ones though going by the DRM stuff.

Mike Harman
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Jan 29 2007 23:54

sphinx,

I don't know much about it, but a bit here on Vista DRM:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/12/27/windows_drm_monstered/

Looks like the PC will almost shut down if you try to play HD DVD on it.

And this paper goes into it just on a resource basis:

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Providing this protection incurs considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability, technical support overhead, and hardware and software cost. These issues affect not only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the effects of the protection measures extend to cover all hardware and software that will ever come into contact with Vista, even if it's not used directly with Vista (for example hardware in a Macintosh computer or on a Linux server). This document analyses the cost involved in Vista's content protection, and the collateral damage that this incurs throughout the computer industry.

Let us know how you get on revol.

E-P
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Jan 30 2007 01:24
revol68 wrote:
well lifestylers whilst youse fuck about with the million different versions of Linux i'll just download a copy of vista so I can play games.

My Linux will be working better anyway! Hahahaaaa. Yeah but that's true that almost any commercial game don't work under Linux systems...it's pitty. Hopefully in future although I don't really care 'cause I only play chess, sudoku, solitaires etc. games on my comp.

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Jan 30 2007 09:19

I don't really care about games, I've been using Linux exclusivly for around a year or so, I find I get more stuff done without them - now if I could just give up these damn forums....

You could always use WINE I was under the impression that it had reasonable games support these days

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Jan 30 2007 09:32

how is the support for things like windows media file videos on linux these days?

Used to use linux exclusively on desktop from about 2001-2005 (usually debian) but then ended up with a windows again. Longing to get back but watching movies and video clips is one of the big functions of my machine these days.

MalFunction
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Jan 30 2007 09:55

I won't be upgrading to Vista for the time being.

I'm not a fan of bill gates or windows but it is the platform that the progs I want to use run on.

I'll wait until after the first service pack is issued, and there is a necessity to have Vista to run progs I want to use.

cheapest version of vista is less than £80 for OEM versions (buy a piece of hardware at same time from same supplier)

DRM - hell even bill gates don't like 'em! (don't stop him putting them in wmp though do it.)

users hate DRM, AFAICT there still won't be a way of stopping people copying trax from CDs onto their PCs, or copying someone else's CDs. (only downloads from propriatory sources will be copy-protected?) but there's usually a way round if necessary.

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Jan 30 2007 13:48
JDMF wrote:
how is the support for things like windows media file videos on linux these days?

Used to use linux exclusively on desktop from about 2001-2005 (usually debian) but then ended up with a windows again. Longing to get back but watching movies and video clips is one of the big functions of my machine these days.

I use Linux (have dual boot with XP and Mandriva) and ain't had any problems with video, DVD, audio, etc., both in Windows-specific formats (WMV, WMA) and more generally.

E-P
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Jan 30 2007 20:50
JDMF wrote:
how is the support for things like windows media file videos on linux these days?

Used to use linux exclusively on desktop from about 2001-2005 (usually debian) but then ended up with a windows again. Longing to get back but watching movies and video clips is one of the big functions of my machine these days.

w32codecs
gstreamer0.8-plugins
gstreamer0.8-lame
lame
sox
ffmpeg
mjpegtools
orbis-tools

If you make sure that you got all those codecs every media file should be working properly.

Flint
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Jan 30 2007 22:51

This message sent to you by my box with Ubuntu.
nefac.net uses Debian.

Mike Harman
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Jan 30 2007 22:53

So do we. You use drupal too, as do we.

yuda
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Jan 31 2007 01:11

I've never had too much difficulty with windows media files on *nix, like E-P said just make sure you've got the right codecs and you'll be right, actually I have more issues with an old win98 box we have.

Neither of my computers (5 y/o desktop and a laptop just over a year old) would run Vista that well (the desktop not at all). All I'm hearing from redmond about vista is pretty much the same retoric I heard for XP - I wonder how long it will take for vista sp1 to be released to plug the holes that will be found in the next wee while

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Feb 2 2007 00:43
sphinx wrote:
Could anyone give a rundown on the various DRM bound to be included in Vista? Am I wrong that most of that will be counteracted by cracks? I know that if a program includes real-time encryption algorhythms which access the internet for constant updates, it can be nearly impossible to crack.

I am no expert at what is going on in DRM but some computer-nerd friends of mine seem convinced that Vista may be a disaster for independent programmers.

The way they put it is that MS has done an Apple, and tried to lock in all future/existing products within the MS brand by making others incompatible and obselete.

One article that looks at some of the damage is here:
http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsid=7675
..althoigh I expecet we will be hearing more as time goes by.

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Feb 5 2007 00:22

Wireless network cards are indeed a pain on linux; check yours is compatible (or buy a compatible one) if you want to run it... not the developer's fault though, without going in to too much detail it's the refusal of the hardware companies to supply information that causes the problem.

As far as games go, I'm currently running Football Manager 2007 and Counterstrike:Source in Linux using WINE. Both took a little tinkering to run, but nothing too bad.

Videos are mostly no problem.

Don't download gstreamer-0.8 packages! gstreamer-0.10 would be a bit more up to date. Or you could let http://easyubuntu.freecontrib.org/ deal with it for you, and not have to think about it.

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Feb 5 2007 00:32

Hi peeps

I don't - of course!! tongue - understand a word of this discussion, tho i DO know that Bill Gates is a greedy man who needs to get out more!! tongue This is just to let UK posters know that on Fri 9th at 7pm on BBC2 the Money Programe takes a look at Vista and includes exclusive footage of the launch!! Sounds exciting.. neutral The Money Programme used to have a vagely investigative bent but now unfortunately has been dumbed down to such an extent that it is usually just a big suck-up to the large corps. being featured - angry tho this in itself could be mildly amusing!!! I didn't put this in my TV Guide cos it is not political but i thought youse may wanna know!

Thoughtfully yours

LW X

yuda
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Feb 6 2007 09:55
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it might well be a great game (i was addicted to Champ Manager between 96-97) but it's not exactly cutting edge software.

So what's your point?

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Feb 7 2007 09:37

Oh how I miss Debian...

Stuck without my laptop and with my work XP comp.

Is it true that Vista needs a gig of memory? If so, thats just stupid. What materially new features does it actually offer? That 3D interface thing just looks stupid and pointless.

But then again haven't tried it so it could be great for all I know.

Will probably stick with XP for games (for now) and Debian for everything else (when I get a new PC). How does Ubuntu compare with Debian these days? What advantages and disadvantages does it offer over Debian sid?

Might get a new laptop soon so I can return to Debian sid. Anyone have a recommendation for a good Linux-compatible laptop which has to be under a grand?

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Feb 7 2007 11:07

Yea I am gaming a bit, but mostly old stuff easily available bootlegged on markets stalls here.

Like Diablo 2 tongue

So I don't need a gig. But maybe I'll get it anyway to be l33t.

Actually, I'm sure there's more modern stuff here available too. Have been off the cutting edge of PC games for years. Any recommendations? I like C&C-esque strategy games, FPS' and RPGS. I love Advance Wars on the GBA.

("Intellectual property" doesn't exist here. There is a high street shop here that has all these imported original DVDs that they flog DVD-R copies of for about 3 quid!)

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Feb 7 2007 11:09
revol68 wrote:
gamers that need to move onto Vista in the near future.

For what?

Not being sarcastic - genuine question.

E-P
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Feb 7 2007 21:49
ffaker wrote:
Oh how I miss Debian...

Stuck without my laptop and with my work XP comp.

Is it true that Vista needs a gig of memory?

I have heard that it would need MINIMUM one gigabyte of memory and to make it work perfectly some two gigabytes would be needed. Also if your computer is "old" you might have problems 'cause your graphic card is not good enough.

E-P
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Feb 7 2007 21:50

Somebody here with "some" spare money should buy it and tell us all after couple of months using how well it is working!

yuda
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Feb 8 2007 00:08
revol68 wrote:
asa wrote:
revol68 wrote:
gamers that need to move onto Vista in the near future.

For what?

Not being sarcastic - genuine question.

for the badass DirectX 10 support.

It's a dubious call wether gamer companies will be making games designed for DirectX 10 in the near furture - why make two versions of you game until vista has broad accecptance?

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Feb 8 2007 12:13

useful article

"Workaround Discovered For "Clean Install" With Vista Upgrade DVDs"
here:

http://www.dailytech.com/Workaround+Discovered+For+Clean+Install+With+Vi...

although as the subsequent replies indicate, for many users a OEM version may be cheaper.

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Feb 9 2007 00:41

Revol, those aren't the only two games that wine will run! I have a three-year-old PC so no Oblivion for me, but I hear that runs too. True, there isn't *full* gaming support, but it gets better all the time.

for me, ASIO and hence Cubase support would be the killer. But OTOH, I'd rather have more decent free software music software and games. I aim to live as proprietary-software free as I can.

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Feb 9 2007 08:36
Moh Kohn wrote:
for me, ASIO and hence Cubase support would be the killer. But OTOH, I'd rather have more decent free software music software and games. I aim to live as proprietary-software free as I can.

just use a crack if you're skint, i got cubase SX3 off p2p, virtually all the NI stuff is on there too, and ableton, and more plugins than you'll ever use.