Informal Anarchist Federation claims responsibility for signalling sabotage near Bristol

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May 25 2012 15:53
Informal Anarchist Federation claims responsibility for signalling sabotage near Bristol

Look what's currently on the front page of the Guardian website:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/may/25/anarchists-claim-railway-signalling-bristol

No matter what you think of this particular action, I find it depressing that this gets prominent coverage under the cover of 'Anarchists', as if the IAF represents all of us.

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May 25 2012 15:58

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I am not sure on this one, but I think the IAF is more of an umbrella term (like Anonymous) so whether or not they are 'connected' to the IAF in Italy seems like the wrong question...

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May 25 2012 15:59

Quick note on this: Probably best not to speculate on a forum watched by coppers.

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May 25 2012 16:03

Yeah, I did think it was probably something along those lines.

I think we really need to debate how Anarchism appears in the media and what we can do about it. Considering that an act like this will gain more prominent coverage than any other anarchist initiatives.

(I know this will never likely change with our media - but it does annoy me)

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EDIT: Good point Rob, my bad.

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May 25 2012 16:10

Are these so called 'Informal Anarchist Federation' people in Brighton intentionally aiming to discredit anarchist ideas within the working class?

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May 25 2012 16:21
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I think we really need to debate how Anarchism appears in the media and what we can do about it.

The short answer is surely: not much. The media will always pick up on things that confirm the stereotype of anarchism as violence and disorder.

We can't police the anarchist movement, or decide who calls themselves anarchists.

Those of us who don't think this is useful activity - All we can do to change things is to simply engage in better stuff, and try to get our message out in communities and workplaces.

Seriously, trying to change how the media report on anarchists is like digging a hole in water.

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May 25 2012 16:22

Here's another question, though. How would you respond to an insurrectionist group, that wanted e.g. an article in your umbrella anarchist paper, or to organise a meeting at a general anarchist event?

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May 25 2012 16:25

I agree with JC, most people in the UK who'd know about the fake Italian "FAI" would know about the Afed statement about them. Tbh, I think this tells you everything you know about these arseholes' politics.

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May 25 2012 16:27

I pretty much agree with that assessment Normal, but I think it's not such a clean dichotomy. For example, if I am organising among non-anarchists (say workmates) and the fact that I am an Anarchist comes up, then I am suddenly faced with a wall of preconceptions and assumptions around what that means.

I naturally do my best to dismantle these notions through my actions but they definitely do have an effect. I know a number of people with clear libertarian sympathies who are put off getting any nearer because of what they have heard about Anarchists entirely comes from the mainstream media. It can be depressingly circular sometimes.

Perhaps if we cannot change the way the media present us, we need to look at how well we distribute our message to the wider class ourselves.

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May 25 2012 16:27
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How would you respond to an insurrectionist group, that wanted e.g. an article in your umbrella anarchist paper, or to organise a meeting at a general anarchist event?

Personally speaking, I'd probably respond in much the same way as I would if a leninist or labourite wanted to do an article or organise a meeting.

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May 25 2012 16:32

In the case of the IAF I'd tell them to get fucked, I'm not interested in running things from people who'd deliberately fudge their name with that of a non-insurrectionary group and put them in danger.

More generally, I'd suggest running an interview rather than just uncritically repeat whatever an insurrectionary group has to say - there's a lot of potential legal issues for any editor taking on that kind of subject.

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May 25 2012 16:51
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In the case of the IAF I'd tell them to get fucked, I'm not interested in running things from people who'd deliberately fudge their name with that of a non-insurrectionary group and put them in danger.

Yes, this is what makes them worse than leninists or labour party.

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May 25 2012 16:37
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I pretty much agree with that assessment Normal, but I think it's not such a clean dichotomy. For example, if I am organising among non-anarchists (say workmates) and the fact that I am an Anarchist comes up, then I am suddenly faced with a wall of preconceptions and assumptions around what that means.

I totally agree. Over on U75, where I post as Random, I started a thread asking whether there was any point reclaiming the word anarchism.

After a think I've decided I'm stuck with it, because no other word does the same job.

I bet that in parts of the world where anarchists are involved with real class struggle there are fewer preconceptions of anarchists as violent wreckers, because of their real actions. So this is why I think propaganda is all well and good, but it has to be linked to winning concrete gains, with anarchist methods. Mass anarcho-syndicalist unions still exist.

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May 25 2012 16:39
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More generally, I'd suggest running an interview rather than just uncritically repeat whatever an insurrectionary group has to say - there's a lot of potential legal issues for any editor taking on that kind of subject.

Good idea.

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May 25 2012 16:43

Tell me who are your friends...
The web site 325.nostate.net which smell fishy support the FAI and the other insurectionalists. doing some pinging,traceroute, and whois reveal some thought provoking details.

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May 25 2012 16:55
IlanS wrote:
Tell me who are your friends...
The web site 325.nostate.net which smell fishy support the FAI and the other insurectionalists. doing some pinging,traceroute, and whois reveal some thought provoking details.

like?

Nothing unusual that I can see

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May 25 2012 16:56

I'm wondering too

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May 25 2012 17:08

I didn't understand any of that embarrassed

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May 25 2012 17:11

A name, thomas weissbecker, well known member of the Red Army Fraction pops up when you do a trace on that site. Posh kids playing out to piss their rich parents off...

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May 25 2012 17:10
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I suspect they used the name 'Informal Anarchist Federation' because of the AF statement the other day.

Don't think so, I saw a "communique" from these plonkers a while back on the 325 website for breaking some windows. roll eyes

I hope Bristol AF are putting out a press release?

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May 25 2012 17:26
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A name, thomas weissbecker, well known member of the Red Army Fraction pops up when you do a trace on that site. Posh kids playing out to piss their rich parents off...

LOL, can't believe I missed the name.
He was involved with Movement 2 June Movement? (Which claimed to be anarchist) with Michael Baumann.

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May 25 2012 18:03

Hilarious!

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May 25 2012 19:51

people on 'nihilist communism' thread were so soft on libcommunity. threads like this show up that social anarchists really are enemies of an open revolt and it's not an overstatement at all.

if you are so concerned about you image in the eyes of the media and labour market, you can easily fuck off and start calling yourselves 'radical unionists' instead of 'anarchists'. real anarchism was and is about illegality, nihilism and doomed action of despaired individuals.

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May 25 2012 20:02
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real anarchism was and is about illegality, nihilism and doomed action of despaired individuals.

Sure it is, but only in your wankbank.

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May 25 2012 20:12
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real anarchism was and is about illegality, nihilism and doomed action of despaired individuals.

I believe you're describing either Al Qaeda, common blue-collar criminality or perhaps just the overall themes of Grand Theft Auto.

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May 25 2012 20:19
bonobo wrote:
people on 'nihilist communism' thread were so soft on libcommunity. threads like this show up that social anarchists really are enemies of an open revolt and it's not an overstatement at all.

if you are so concerned about you image in the eyes of the media and labour market, you can easily fuck off and start calling yourselves 'radical unionists' instead of 'anarchists'. real anarchism was and is about illegality, nihilism and doomed action of despaired individuals.

Cool grip on reality, bro.

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May 25 2012 21:14

URGENT:
Bristol IAF release video manifesto.

Why We Fight

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May 25 2012 22:30

these "insurrectionists" who believe they can inspire revolt through there isolated acts of violence and destruction seem to me like biologists who promote the idea of Lamarckian evolution. you can see why some one might have believed it 100 years ago, but its been tested and it doesn't work.

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if you are so concerned about you image in the eyes of the media and labour market, you can easily fuck off and start calling yourselves 'radical unionists' instead of 'anarchists'. real anarchism was and is about illegality, nihilism and doomed action of despaired individuals

as for this, its a perfect example of someone seeing the bourgeois distortions and lies about anarchism and actually thinking its a good thing.

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May 25 2012 22:52

are the FAI/IRF really insurrectionists? i thought they were egoist-nihilists? a third wave of anarchy different from social anarchists and the insurrectionists/rioting types, by their own words.

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May 25 2012 23:37
bonobo wrote:
people on 'nihilist communism' thread were so soft on libcommunity. threads like this show up that social anarchists really are enemies of an open revolt and it's not an overstatement at all.

Hmm... so Bristol 'Informal AF' is the open revolt roll eyes

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if you are so concerned about you image in the eyes of the media and labour market

Not really, I'll be more concerned if any of my mates get rounded up because of some gang of cunts playing 'fairly secret army' while using similar initials in their communications.

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you can easily fuck off and start calling yourselves 'radical unionists' instead of 'anarchists'. real anarchism was and is about illegality, nihilism and doomed action of despaired individuals.

No it wasn't and no it isn't. That's a bourgeois misrepresentation or black propaganda intended to defame us... and you and your mates seem have fallen for it hook, line and sinker, you fucking mugs.