EDL crash anarchist meeting

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Luther Blissett
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Jul 6 2010 22:46
Neptune2 wrote:
Yes in 2008, drink driving did kill more people, it doesn't change anything.

And your thoughts on domestic violence?

EDL are obsessed with highlighting only muslim domestic violence in this country, but are strangely silent on non-muslim domestic violence, which is by far the greater occurance (and lets not forget that most people in Britain are not muslim).

It might surprise EDL to know that DV occurs at a fairly steady rate of c.25% of all relationships in all cultures and countries, rising only when a country is in conflict/at war or prolonged economic crisis.

Did any EDL members call the recent murder and attempted murders by armed convict in the North East an 'honour killing'? Why not? It met all the criteria of an 'honour' killing.
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At around the same time that EDL members were linking to incidents of domestic violence in 'Islamic' countries from around the world, they turned a blind eye to this: http://www.domesticviolence.co.uk/domestic-violence-news/beaten-girlfriend-urges-others-you-must-call-police-the-bolton-news

This ridiculous inconsistency by EDL members, which focuses only on muslim-only domestic violence with examples that mainly but not always come from outside Britain is mostly accompanied by comments that call all muslims 'animals' etc.

It's not Islam which is to blame for domestic violence in Britain. Or is it?

Islam is to blame, according to EDL's Matthew Kaplan. According to Kaplan, British males can now blame their institutional misogyny on ...Islam. Not Islamism , not extremist muslims, not terrorists, but Islam.

Yes, you heard it right. Kaplan blames "the growing influence of Islam on British students" for long-held male views on the culpability of females when dressed "provocatively" for their own rape.

Kaplan's Thoughts wrote:
A survey published in a recent edition of the University of London's student newspaper, the London Student, purports to show that a large percentage of UL students hold women partially or wholly responsible for being raped if they have done certain things such as get irresponsibly drunk or wear provocative clothing. In keeping with the theme of the issue (it was the official feminism issue), this, predictably, was denounced as a shocking remnant of the patriarchical blah blah blah needing to be rooted out through 'rape awareness training,' which, judging from the way it has been carried out on other university campuses, will involve the demonisation of all males as 'potential rapists' (because they have penises, apparently).

To the extent that this survey accurately reflects the attitudes of UL students, it is probably above all a worrying sign of the growing influence of Islam on the British student population, an ideology which holds that drinking, wearing revealing clothing, and indeed flirting all make women necessarily whores. But it seems to me that this survey was specifically designed to return this 'shocking' result in order to give the feminazis an excuse to subject us all to more politically correct indoctrination..

For a supposed undergraduate student of British history at a prestigious university, Kaplan's Thoughts (google this phrase) are coloured by his views of Islam. He sees the Islamic bogeyman behind almost every aspect of in British culture (bar the kitchen sink).

Here's some statistics on DV in one county in Britain:

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ONE person is arrested for domestic violence every 90 minutes in Lancashire, shock figures have revealed.

The county has the sixth highest number of arrests in the UK - more than Greater Manchester, Glasgow and Tyneside - with 5,716 people taken into custody in the year to March 2004.

And with national figures suggesting that a women suffers abuse 35 times before going to the police, there are fears that the true level of domestic violence is far higher.

Police today said the high figure was a result of their policy of considering arrest at every incident of domestic violence they attend.

But they also said there was a small but significant number of cases of women attacking men, many of whom were too embarassed to go to the police.

The charity Women's Aid said the force's approach revealed the true extent of the problem for the first time.

But it said much more had to be done as just two out of every 100 people arrested for domestic violence were convicted.

The figures on arrests were revealed for the first time by Home Office Minister Baroness Scotland in a House of Lords written answer.

The highest number of arrests were in the West Midlands (8,594), followed by West Yorkshire (8,571), Merseyside (7,395), the Metropolitan police (6,118) and Staffordshire (6,063).

After Lancashire came Northumbria (5,549) and Greater Manchester (5,490).

Det Insp Neil Hunter, head of the public protection unit covering East Lancashire, said: "By taking positive action and intervening at the earliest opportunity it gives protection to the victim and the opportunity to feed in domestic violence voluntary groups and domestic violence officers to provide support and encouragement.

He said the force was also prosecuting without the victim's consent, adding: "Fifty per cent of murders in Lancashire are domestic violence, so if we feel it is important and may prevent a serious offence in the future, then that is what we will do.

http://archive.theboltonnews.co.uk/2005/3/21/439527.html

Luther Blissett
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Jul 6 2010 20:17

EDL-praising themselves on indymedia again. http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2010/07/455173.html

Who has time for this type of 'prolier than thou' willy waving? On the EDL forum, they've presented this as 'Anarchists to learn lessons from EDL' ...

EDL also claim they've divided 'the left'.

(Scuse me whilst laugh uncontrollably for several minutes!).

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Jul 6 2010 20:23

the inconsistencies and contradictions in the EDLs rhetoric are legion. its prefectly ordinary for them to focus attention on a story about a girl being raped by an asian on page 4 of the daily mail but completely ignore a similar story about a 12 year old girl being gang raped by white youths on page 5. rape is only shocking if its a muslim apparently.

they claim theyre not racist, but heres just one example of thier supporters attitudes (quite apart from the examples Ive already given)

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roses are red niggers are brown..when they go swiming i want them to drown..the grass is green the violets are blue muslims stink and pakis do to..im not really racist just got a bit of a gob ..but at least im no polish and after your job ,,,,hahahahahaahahahah
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NO TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS ,NO TO U.A.F TRAITORS ,,,MUSLIMS BOBMERS OF OUR STTREETS

isnt that lovely? they have no chance of disassociating themselves from the right wing because they ARE the right wing, however much they protest thier innocence. its typical of a fool to believe that everybody is is foolish as he is.

they also claim they want a country free from discrimination yet discriminate indiscriminately against all foriegners and demand british jobs for british people and first dibs on any welfare handouts too.

they demand thier right to freedom of speech while demanding that anybody who opposes them be silences because theyre fascists for opposing them at all. the mind boggles.

further to that, they demand we stop calling them fascists then call all thier opponents and critics fascists for not allowing them the fredom of speech they would deny any non white and/or non british citizen.

thier logic is so full of holes, contradictions and doublethink that its almost impossible to hold one of thier number down in a cohesive and coherent arguement without getting bogged down in sophism. they will jump from islamic extremism to polish labourers in one sentence then sit back as if theyve scored a victory with a sentence like this (one of them has actually said this to me) "if islam isnt a threat then I should be able to get a job wherever I like".

now, to you or I that makes no sense, but to them its all very simple. the muslims hate britain and have all joined together in every single aspect of everyday life to make it impossible for whitey to live here anymore. thats everything from charging too much for a can of coke to taxi drivers not stopping for them, to muslims claiming social security when theres white people who cant get a council house. every single one of thier probems can be directly linked to the muslims in thier area. its absolute and utter garbage, but they dont have the inclination or intellegence to look beyond thier own narrow experience for the causes of the symptoms theyre experiencing.

back up for a second though and theres yet another inconsitency in thier arguement. they complain that the muzzies only come here for the welfare system, but then complain theyve taken all our jobs. its just that sort of doublethink that makes reasoning with them impossible, so dont even try. there is no hope for them because they are stupid and ignorant. you cannot hope to find moderation or even undertanding in them because they define themselves by hatred and division.

there are far too many wet liberal handwringers who try to justify their bile by waving the free speech flag, but they can all fuck off. the SDL and thier affiliates are no more the old right wing with a new name. anybody who pretends its otherwise is as pig fucking ignorant as they are.

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Jul 10 2010 17:32

Report on the Antifascist Coalition Meeting on the 3rd of July 2010
On Sat the 3rd Leeds Anarchist Federation called a meeting for an Antifascist Coalition in Leeds with the intention of discussing the EDL and ideas for how to respond to their plans to march in Bradford in August. The people attending the meeting were aware of the EDL’s intention to attack the meeting but decided to go ahead with it anyway. Preparations were made for this possibility with the intention to try to de-escalate first, as a fight in the Swarthmore Center was in no way what we wanted, and we were prepared for other eventualities should a de-escalation fail. However, this predicted attack never materialised.

What did happen was that 5 unknown people arrived. The door was locked and so they rang the buzzer and waited. They claimed to be antifascists wanting to go to the antifascist meeting. When they came in one of them told us they were antifascists from Wakefield and asked us what we were going to do about the EDL. Two of them stood nervously in the doorway and the others sat down, one of them went and sat quietly at the other end of the room from his friends. We asked why they wanted to confront the EDL and they said because some of them are racist. We tried to question them further about this but it seemed that the guy doing most of the talking didn’t feel he was doing a very convincing job. He said “You know who we are, don’t you?”, so we asked who and he said they were the EDL. At this point, a number of people in the meeting stood up and positioned themselves more conveniently, so this man started insisting they didn’t want a fight and they were just here to explain that they weren’t racist. He insisted repeatedly that he was just here to talk and made numerous defensive bids for acceptance (“don’t tar us all with the same brush”, etc). They seemed to be more concerned about PR than anything else but the brief exchange we had with him was predictably ridiculous and it wasn’t the time or the place to discuss what he wanted so we asked them to leave and after a few repetitions of “But just let me finish…”, they did.

Despite being less of an attack and at most a mild inconvenience, it is in the interest of this man, called Snowy, to exaggerate this incident and his role in it as much as possible. Since the rooftop protests in Dudley he’s been trying to rise higher in the ranks of the EDL and is obviously hoping that he and his faction will gain more credibility if he makes it in and out of an antifascist meeting unscathed (no matter how this was accomplished). Snowy’s political ambitions are pretty transparent and his attempts to make his strange behaviour look impressive are equally transparent.

The politics of the EDL feed into an agenda that poses a threat to the unity of the working class and has to be confronted. All over the world the bosses and politicians are using the recession to attack the working class using the nationalist rhetoric that “we’re all in this together”, while the EDL serve to focus concerns away from these attacks onto immigrants and foreign culture, simultaneously encouraging the white working class to identify with the white ruling class in an act of pseudo-rebellion that only serves to undermine their own interests. Although the EDL is not a fascist organisation, their presence on the streets of Bradford will only serve to strengthen the division of the working class according to tribalist principles of ethnicity and culture. Having said this, testosterone laden politics that responds with merely street violence fails to adequately address the situation. Our response has to be in accordance with our political aims.

Anarchist Federation Leeds

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Jul 15 2010 16:13

EDL turn up at Indymedia meeting, get ejected:

http://sheffield.indymedia.org.uk/2010/07/455543.html?c=on#c251986

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Jul 17 2010 13:17

EDL get "ejected" from Indymedia meeting and "laughed out of" Leeds AFed meeting... Really? I think they turned up, humiliated you, then left. Its not good. Reminds me of my local SWP/UAF having a stall in city centre next to the stall I was on and getting shepperded away by the police when the EDL turned up to debate with them. As I stood having a discussion with a couple of EDLers a scared trot came over & said "the EDL are about, the police are escorting us away, want to come with us?" I said yeh these lads are EDL & no I don't want to move fuck off. SWP later made up stories about how they were goose-stepping Nazis with KKK & SS tatts. What a load of bollox. The guys I was talking to were locals, one had a black girlfriend.

I think there a lot of dickheads involved in the EDL but its a mixed bag.... many of them should be on our side, if only more anarchists could talk to people who are patriotic without fuming about them being racists & nationalist in lefty cliche jargon.

Since the BNP abandoned street politics we've had it easy, now its time to see if the new generation of anarchists can walk the talk of "militant anti-fascism." So far its just been embarrassing.

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Jul 17 2010 15:30
sort it out frosty wrote:
EDL get "ejected" from Indymedia meeting and "laughed out of" Leeds AFed meeting... Really? I think they turned up, humiliated you, then left. Its not good.

Why do you think that? And who's "you" in this context, just anarchists in Yorkshire generally or what? (No AF members were present at the IMC meeting, to clarify.) What about these EDL interventions do you think is humiliating for the anarchists involved?

What exactly do you think Leeds AF or Sheffield IMC did wrong on these occasions? How would you have done things differently if the EDL had turned up to a meeting at which you were present?

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Reminds me of my local SWP/UAF having a stall in city centre next to the stall I was on and getting shepperded away by the police when the EDL turned up to debate with them.

Yes, that's exactly what it's not like at all - since in neither instance were the police involved, and in both cases what happened was that the EDL left and everyone else got on with what they were doing in the first place. I don't get why everyone thinks it's such a big deal, or why everyone seems to believe the EDL account in which they appear to be doing something daring and aggressive - when in fact, all they did was attend a public meeting, lose an argument, and get kicked out.

To be honest mate, it seems to me like you're just conflating what happened in Leeds and Sheffield with a totally different event involving totally different people - then tarring us with the same brush.

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Jul 17 2010 15:43
sort it out frosty wrote:
I think there a lot of dickheads involved in the EDL but its a mixed bag.... many of them should be on our side, if only more anarchists could talk to people who are patriotic without fuming about them being racists & nationalist in lefty cliche jargon.

Yeah, it's a mixed bag. Whereas some are racists and neo-nazis, others are just racists. But hey, if only anarchists weren't so ivory tower, if only they could TALK to these people, everything would be alright. They would join the anarchy, and then a rush and a push and the land is ours.

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Jul 17 2010 15:45
mateofthebloke wrote:
sort it out frosty wrote:
I think there a lot of dickheads involved in the EDL but its a mixed bag.... many of them should be on our side, if only more anarchists could talk to people who are patriotic without fuming about them being racists & nationalist in lefty cliche jargon.

Yeah, it's a mixed bag. Whereas some are racists and neo-nazis, others are just racists. But hey, if only anarchists weren't so ivory tower, if only they could TALK to these people, everything would be alright. They would join the anarchy, and then a rush and a push and the land is ours.

I think most of them are more interested in a fight/confrontation than listening to us. Judging by some of the knobheads that come on here.