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Aug 17 2017 14:31

The SWP not my usual preferred source of information and opinion in this area but I did give it a quick listen. The speaker is probably right about the Gulen movement's influence and role both previously and in terms of the attempted coup as well as some other specific points about the subsequent policy of the Turkish government and it's PKK and HDP opponents in relation to the Kurdish 'movement' and specifically the rise of the PKK inspired mini-state in Syria.The discussion to some extent illustrates the confusions of these Leftists aspirations to 'leadership' when it come to their lopsided 'anti-imperialism' and support for the various often conflicting national liberation movements. It's noticeable as well that for an organisation that claims to be in the vanguard of working class struggle there is a distinct absence of any class analysis in relation to the Kurdish populations dispersed across the Turkish-Syria-Iraq-Iran axis of states. This post is perhaps more relevant still to the other 'Turkey News' thread and relates also to some comments I added to the very end of this earlier thread:
http://libcom.org/news/miliary-coup-turkey-15072016
Perhaps proletarian could explain their own views about the value of their posting this video?

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Aug 18 2017 10:19

Washington's main Syrian ally in the fight against Islamic State says the U.S. military will remain in northern Syria for decades after the jihadists are defeated, predicting enduring ties with the Kurdish-dominated region,
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-exclusive-idU...

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Aug 18 2017 18:45

Roni Marguiles is one of the leaders of the Turkish spawn of the SWP. They have a such a disgusting and dishonorable history that it would require a huge article to list all of it. During 2010 constitutional referendum in Turkey they supported Erdogan and his proposed amendment to the constitution. AKP won the referendum and in his victory speech Erdogan even thanked DSIP (Marguiles' party - the Turkish SWP) by name - this is unusual because no one except the radical left even know about its existence in Turkey. But for a long time they served well to Erdogan as his little scab group in the left. AKP municipalities plastered all the big cities with pro-amendment DSIP posters and signs, which would be plainly impossible for this extremely small party to do by solely its own means. That referendum also consolidated Erdogan and Gulenist's power over the state - at the time they were allies. DSIP/Cliffites and other left liberals around it tremendously helped mobilizing the left voters behind AKP's amendment by creating the illusion that if it passes, the political liberties would expand and the army's strength would be curtailed. Neither have happened...

In 2016 wikileaks released personal correspondences of several high ranking turkish officials in Erdogan's cabinet, including his son-in-law, Berat Albayrak. In one of those exchanged DSIP was mentioned as "tied to higher ups", suggesting that they were linked to the Gulenists somehow.

Here is the news article about this - this is a left wing/socialistish paper: http://www.birgun.net/haber-detay/berat-albayrak-in-maillerinden-dsip-de...

So, the turkish SWP is an extremely dirty organization which openly sided with Erdogan and tried to whitewash his policies in the name of reformism and created a huge confusion by equating everyone opposing the AKP to Kemalists and morally condemning and isolating them.

In this speech R. Marguiles is continuing his dirty and shameful work on sawing confusions. He is trying to clear AKP from its actions during the latest referendum. This latest referndum practically made Erdogan the dictator of the country by concentrating all executive, legislative and judicial control in his office. And AKP actually stole the referendum through deceit, illegal tricks, voting manipulations and frauds in vote counting. There were protests for days afterwards and countless of proof showing that majority of the Turkish people did not actually support AKPs proposal in the referendum. Even the international observers from the EU reported that there were several irregularities with the voting that otherwise could have led to defeat of the referendum.

Anyway, Marguiles is showing once again the same old shameless, spineless and slimy DSIP opportunism in the last part when he talked about Rojava. He accepts that there is not a revolution in Rojava or any real social change. But he also says that "as a Leninist" he cannot "openly criticize" PKK since that would mean rejecting the rights of nations to self-determination principle! That is just disgusting opportunism and he is just discrediting the radical left by this pseudo-radical phraseology - as this is the only real function of the Ciffites. Still, he is at least honest about the fact that there is no genuine social change in Kurdistan. You can never hear them say that in Turkey - as he openly admits. And coming from this deceitful, dirty group even that truth may get stained.

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Jan 18 2018 11:55

Turkish state on the verge of militarily attacking USA supported Kurdish forces both directly and via Syrian proxies amidst USA attempt to secure its diminished place in the carve-up of influence in the region otherwise at odds with it's Turkish NATO ally. Has Turkey assumed too much that the USA would abandon it's Syrian Kurdish allies as soon as ISIS appeared to be defeated?

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Mar 5 2018 11:28

So whilst this Forum is still retained thought this useful contribution should be listed here as well:
https://libcom.org/blog/defense-afrin-proletarian-internationalism-05032...

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Dec 21 2018 13:52

Anyone have any takes on the US withdrawal, escalated threats from Erdogan, etc? The whole situation seems pretty grim all round.

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Dec 21 2018 16:34

Not much but a few things came up around it:

It coincides with Turkey and the US agreeing a $3.5b Patriot missile sale. That could be a massive coincidence or it could explain the 'why' for the withdrawal. A few different sources reporting this, but Bloomberg had some commentary where they reckoned Assad, Iran, and Russia might still be a deterant to a full Turkish annexation of Rojava. They also reckon the US deal with Turkey could mean cancellation of arms deals between Turkey and Russia.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-19/state-department-back...

This idea that the US should stay in Rojava to 'protect the Kurds/Rojava' (I've seen this Chomsky interview go around on twitter again: http://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/13cf816e-8e40-41c8-bb76-d453a3261d8b) seems to misunderstand why the US is in Rojava at all - i.e. it's war on terror and a geopolitical bulwark against (mainly) Iran, not to actually support the YPG. Their presence means that both Turkey and Assad will try to avoid direct military confrontation with US troops but not much more.

The announcement of 50% of troops being withdrawn from Afghanistan too I haven't seen as much about - but there were noises earlier this year about privatising the operation there - would be worth keeping an eye on: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/military/officials-worry-trump-may-back-eri...

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Dec 26 2018 19:04

SDF/YPG apparently just handed over a town to the Syrian army to stave of an attack by Turkey. Not sure what this source is like.
http://www.basnews.com/index.php/en/news/middle-east/489850

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Dec 26 2018 22:11
Mike Harman wrote:
SDF/YPG apparently just handed over a town to the Syrian army to stave of an attack by Turkey. Not sure what this source is like.
http://www.basnews.com/index.php/en/news/middle-east/489850

BasNews is pro-Barzani/KDP news.

Last year in 2017, Russia (and maybe SAA) also held Arimah. Russia withdrew from the Manbij area and also stopped protecting Afrin's to green light Turkey's invasion of Afrin, as part of a deal for Erdogan to call anti-Assad opposition fighters out of southern Syria (Ghouta, Daraa). It was similar to the deal they reached when Putin allowed Turkey attacking ISIS in Jarabulus and al-Bab; in exchange for Erdogan calling fighters out of Aleppo (which caused the fall of the opposition in Aleppo).

MANBIJ FORCES REACHES AGREEMENT WITH RUSSIA OVER DEFENCE AGAINST TURKEY BACKED FSA, March 2nd, 2017, Plymouth University’s Dartmouth Centre for Seapower and Strategy (DCSS)

American, Russian troops in Manbij: Preventing an all-out Turkish-Kurdish face-off?, March 5, 2017, T-Intelligence

Syrian government forces 'enter' Kurdish-controlled Manbij region, December 12, 2018, Al Jazeera (Qatari-based)

If this story is true it would be the SAA/Russia/Iran alliance returning to positions they held in 2017. In 2017, they positioned there to stop Turkey's threats on Manbij and Afrin. At the same time, the U.S. also deployed flagged units to Manbij city proper and the north side of Manbij along the Sajur river to also deter Turkey's threats.

Then in January 2018, Russia (and the SAA) withdrew from the Manbij area, and Russia withdrew from Afrin. This allowed Turkey's successful invasion and occupation of Afrin to occur over a two month period. At the same time, the U.S. maintained its positions in Manbij and dissuaded Turkey form attacking there.

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Dec 26 2018 21:50

Yeah, I was going to say that that story feels like a re-run of March 2017 (except I had to look the date up). While you're here, would be genuinely interested to know your take on the current situation in general? Do you think there's any prospect of a "good" outcome at this stage, or is it just a choice between one defeat or another?

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Feb 7 2019 23:23
R Totale wrote:
Yeah, I was going to say that that story feels like a re-run of March 2017 (except I had to look the date up). While you're here, would be genuinely interested to know your take on the current situation in general? Do you think there's any prospect of a "good" outcome at this stage, or is it just a choice between one defeat or another?

I had hoped that the war was ending and focus could be on reconstruction. Everything is in chaos now. Anything could happen now. The U.S. leaving in this way is a manner that most weakens the YPG's bargaining position. Also, with the U.S. pulling out, at first glance it looks like Erdogan gets what he wants... but it puts him in a weaker position over all facing Assad/Russia/Iran without U.S./Coalition support.

From what we observed, the U.S. had a relatively lighter hand on TEV-DEM's internal politics and economics than we can expect from either Erdogan or Assad.

Some hope that France and a coalition of other countries could form a deterrent to Turkey. Seems like a slim hope.

Can the YPG cut a deal? Or is it Turkey's occupation and a return to guerilla war, but much worse than we currently seen in Afrin?

I would caution people against writing requiems yet. That won't stop some of you from doing so.

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Dec 28 2018 09:58

Official confirmation from YPG that they're inviting the Syrian army to hold positions: https://twitter.com/DefenseUnits/status/1078573294402588672

And confirmation from Syrian Army.
https://twitter.com/ferozwala/status/1078591277116084230

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Dec 29 2018 17:58

Longish analysis from an anarchist in Rojava here: https://crimethinc.com/2018/12/28/the-threat-to-rojava-an-anarchist-in-s...

Obviously, very pro-PYD, which in turn means that, in this current situation, the author ends up verging on "soft Assadism" in some places, but I thought these bits were good:

"As anarchists, we have to talk very seriously about how to create other options for people in conflict zones. Is there any form of international horizontal decentralized coordination that could have solved the problems that the people in Rojava were facing such that they would not have been forced to depend on the US military? If we find no answer to this question when we look at the Syria of 2013-2018, is there something we could have done earlier? These are extremely pressing questions...

Finally, you can think about how we could put better options on the table next time an uprising like the one in Syria breaks out. How can we make sure that governments fall before their reign gives way to the reign of pure force, in which only insurgents backed by other states can gain control? How can we offer other visions of how people can live and meet their needs together, and mobilize the force it will take to implement and defend them on an international basis without need of any state?"

I guess the only other option that I could see to prevent a total destruction of any emancipatory prospect at the hands of either Erdogan or Assad would be "the old mole" rearing its head again in either Turkey or Syria (maybe spreading from Iran/Iraq), but I dunno what the odds of that are.

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Dec 29 2018 21:51

I've no agreement with the aspirations of Kurdish nationalism, particularly as expressed in Rojava, but I'd like to thank the author of the piece linked by R. Totale for its information and humanity. I don't think that it overestimates the Turkish state's capacity for massacre and terror which these latest developments could well bring about.

Just a couple of points:

The US and its coalition allies have lost the war in Syria. The leading world power must confront another set-back in the Middle East which has weakened its position and this will have consequences on the wider imperialist chessboard as well as the detailed perspectives laid out by the author. Kurdish nationalism and Kurdish "assets" are part of this chessboard and are once again paying the price for it.

There is nothing "new" or "startling" about Trump's decision to withdraw from Syria; he talked about it in his election campaign as part of his "America First!" policy, touched on it frequently and six months ago gave a six-month time scale to pull out of Syria. The author says that the move "makes no sense" for "US global, military hegemony". But it makes perfect sense. The biggest concern for US imperialism at the moment is, I think, the movement of Erdogan's Turkey towards Russia - the author talks about the "multi-polar" world and I agree that centrifugal tendencies are a dominant development of imperialism making them unpredictable and dangerous and this is an example of it. It's not just "missile sales" between Russia and Turkey but the existence of a massive, well-organised and battle-hardened military on Nato's southern flank, i.e., the Turkish state, going towards Russia that is the danger to the US. It is absolutely vital for US imperialism in the longer term that Turkey is moved away from deeper alliances with Russia and is fully and decisively integrated into Nato. If that means sacrificing the Kurds you can just picture Trump shrugging his shoulders. Erdogan is playing the game with the March elections and beyond in mind by pitting one against the other with the one thing for sure being that the general imperialist carve-up is just being displaced. There is no peace.

On the perspectives, it can only be the class struggle, workers' assemblies, self-organisation intrinsically breaking ethnic and nationalist divisions. There have been significant episodes of class struggle recently in Iran, Jordan and Iraq and the potential of the working class in Turkey and elsewhere remains intact. The working class is the only possible force able to push back at the bourgeoisie and with a bit of luck eventually overthrow it. But all forms of nationalism have to go with that, not least because nationalism is part imperialist war.

But good luck "anarchist in Rojava". Keep your head down and keep analysing and discussing the situation.

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Jan 5 2019 08:38

FYI

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01/04/why-are-leftists-cheering-the-po...

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It does seem quite reasonable to hope for a socialist experiment to avoid being destroyed by Islamic State fascism, Turkish ultra-nationalism or Syrian absolutism rather than clinging to dogmatism.

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Jan 5 2019 18:14

Factcheck on the smear piece about Rojava by Roy Gutman on The Intercept:

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1/ yes, SDF conscripts, like EVERY other major force in Syria. They're defending their land against ISIS & NATO's second-largest army lol.

"Erka Parastin" (defence work) only lasts a year & conscripts are usually controlling traffic on some desert road, not sent to the front.

https://twitter.com/hashtagbroom/status/1080858562816020480

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In March-April 2011, the uprising broke out in Syria. At first in Deraa, then in other cities, “Arabs”, “Kurds” and others. During the first months, Kurdish participation was massive. Despite the particularly violent repression, the demonstrations, much less “peaceful” than the Western media represented, united not only Kurds and Arabs, but, in a few rare cases, also individuals coming from “communities” traditionally connected to the protectors of the hierarchical power of the regime: Alawites, Druze, Palestinians and Christians. There was no united demand, except “Down with the regime!”, which began to appear here and there. The social reasons for revolt were abundant: the brutality of the cops, poverty, military service, the stagnation of a community complicit with the regime at all levels of daily life, but also the formal proletarianization for some Kurds and Palestinians, the latter mostly inhabiting the ghettos, former refugee camps, like Yarmouk in Damascus.

In April 2011, Bashar al-Assad took the plunge in trying to buy out Kurdish proletarians: he signed the “Decree 49” granting citizenship to those who are registered as foreigners in the region of Hasaka, which for the most part meant Kurds. According to an Arab speaker, “it did not work”. According to another person, a Kurd, “we don’t care.”

Meanwhile, while their Kurdish “compatriots” were fighting against the regime’s soldiers and shabiha alongside the Arabs and others, Kurdish political parties, including the PYD, were silent. Almost every one of them had an armed militia, and in the case of the PYD, well-trained, but even as the movement began to show the first signs of militarization, they did not engage in the fight. For this reason, during the period from April 2011 to January 2012, the answer to the question “Are Kurds participating in the uprising?” could be both “yes” or “no” depending on who’s speaking.

This discrepancy, which should be obvious even to the keenest parliamentarists, is manifested by direct and unresolved conflicts, before and after the constitution of Rojava in November 2013.

On June 27, 2013, for example, there was an anti-PYD demonstration in Amuda, a predominantly Kurdish city with a sizeable Arab population. A military convoy was stoned by protesters, to which YPG forces responded with live ammunition, killing three people. The night after, about 50 supporters of the opposition Yekiti party were detained and beaten up at a YPG base.

November 2015, residents of the Erbil refugee camp in Iraqi Kurdistan, protested against military conscription among the YPG among others. The protest was called by members of the Kurdish National Council, a coalition of parties opposed to the PYD, close to Barzani. We do not want to make concessions to the jailers Barzani and his political affiliates (see the 1991 social insurgency in Iraq), but we can see that the way the PYD deals with its opponents is identical to that of a state.

This is no surprise: it maintains essentially coercive institutions such as prison, the police, the (popular) courts, the army (the YPJ and the YPG), even an equivalent of the ignominious shabiha intended to terrorize protesters in the street – everything is intact and even solidified by the constitution which is loosely termed the Social Contract. The jokes that promise the dissolution of the police later do not announce anything revolutionary, because under such conditions, any other protective force, even informal, would inevitably serve the same function of protecting power and capital. There is nothing missing in the state of Rojava.

- here: http://dialectical-delinquents.com/articles/class-struggle-histories-2/o...

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Feb 11 2019 18:52

Do I understand correctly that the anarchists refused to support Autonomous and, unlike Rojava, predominantly non-party Councils in regions such as Daraa and Idlib?

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Feb 12 2019 18:38
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Do I understand correctly that the anarchists refused to support Autonomous and, unlike Rojava, predominantly non-party Councils in regions such as Daraa and Idlib?

Idlib is dominated by Al Qaeda/Jabhat al Nusra/Hayat Tahrir al-Sham

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Feb 12 2019 20:08

1) How do you even talk about it, if you are not familiar with the publications of the Syrian anarchist Leila al-Shami, who constantly talks about the Councils in Arab Syria, created during the Saura (Uprising) against Assad? "The people of Idlib have been at the forefront of the struggle against Hay’at Tahrir Al Sham, or H.T.S. Since Idlib’s liberation from the regime — partially in 2012 and then fully in 2015 — many of its citizens worked to build a free society that reflected the values of the revolution. According to researchers, more than 150 local councils have been established to administer basic services in the province; many held the first free elections in decades. Long-repressed civil society witnessed a rebirth. Independent news media, like the popular Radio Fresh, were set up to challenge the regime’s monopoly on information. Women’s centers grew, empowering women to participate in politics and the economy".

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/02/opinion/idlib-syria-jihadists-democra...

2) This text is about the conflict Autonomous Councils and Nusra:

There are about 160 Autonomous Councils in the region of Idlib active and they are in confrontation with Nusra (Al-Qaeda; Hayat Tachrir al Sham). Arab councils are non-party and self-organized. They are multi-confessional, i.e. they are Sunnis, Ismailis, Christians. This is a huge step forward for Syria. But they are in contact with certain groups of anti-Assad opposition.

Currently Nusra (al-Qaeda) is the main enemy of Autonomous councils in the region. And this is so not only because Nusra wants destroy these Autonomous councils, as once did the Bolsheviks in 1918-1921. The reason is that the presence of the Nusra has made "politicaly toxic" entire region of Idlib. I fear that the whole region will be wiped off the face of the earth by joint efforts of the great powers.

http://syriadirect.org/news/hts-storms-idlib-city-council-after-its-refu...

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3) "We’ve published this interview called “Libertarian communalism and self-government in Syria” made by an internationalist comrade who prefered remains anonymous, but encouraging to extend the debate about the Syrian revolution along the world. The main questions treats on cultural and political relations (and too the radical differences) between the Arab autonomous councils that have been formed since the revolution start on 2011, the Kurdish parties organizative forces and the connotation of try hegemonize the Middle East conflicts of imperialist countries, in a way to understand all advances and gains of this armed process for a better life for the most important subject in this scenario: the communities & people."

http://rupturacolectiva.com/libertarian-communalism-and-self-government-...

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Feb 12 2019 23:07

Its not 2011 anymore. Even Robin Yassin-Kassab, Leila al-Shami's co-author "Burning Country" and now supporter of Turkey's attacks on YPG in Afrin, gave up on Idlib years ago.

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"The revolution is still strong in Idlib province, but the fighting men there tend to be dominated by Salafist or jihadist factions like Ahrar al-Sham and Jabhat al-Nusra whose politics contradict the revolution’s democratic aims... Northern Aleppo province is also held by Free Army groups and local councils, but in the presence of the Turkish army, and in the context of territorial conflict with... the PYD."

Robin Yassin-Kassab, [url=https://thearabdailynews.com/2017/01/02/our-fates-are-linked/"]Our Fates are Linked[/url], Arab Daily News, February 12, 2017

Hope in the "autonomous councils" backed by arms of the National Front for Liberation while disparaging Rojava as "party councils" is the penultimate of mistaking form for substance.

Touting the last hold outs in Idlib against HTS as some sort of thing to support, and to be clear this is totally abstract internet rhetorical wanking support, is just dumb.

More than likely, the Syrian Arab Army assisted by Russia will eventually fight HTS for control of Idlib. Whether there is any armed group separate from HTS (or local government not dominated by the HTS civilian wing the National Salvation Government) remains to be seen, but they will not be a significant military or political factor to the outcome. Whether or not Turkey intends to withdraw from Idlib, assist the SAA offensive or to continue to defend HTS positions remains to be seen; but again any armed body or political council nominally independent of NTS/NSG won't be a significant factor in Erdogan's decision there. Turkey has largely not been interested in defending any such group against HTS. It has mostly facilitated the relocation of armed groups who are themselves little better than HTS... groups like Ahrar al Sham and Ahrar al-Sharqiya to bolster Turkey's occupation of Afrin to receive payment as both mercenaries and to engage in looting.

Comparing the local councils in Idlib that went along to get along with these fore-mentioned armed groups as somehow comparable to the free soviets of the Russian revolution is laughable. Just because a village has a local administrative council that is independent of the Ba'ath party in government in Damascus does not mean said council is a good thing.

From the very Syrian Direct you reference:

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“The only weapon we possess—and work on behalf of—is our legitimacy. We are elected [officials] and are recognized by nations abroad,” al-Khadr said.

“We are currently trying to recover the city council,” he added, but did not elaborate on how.

Its over.

It is a terrible situation for the many internally displaced peoples who are now residing in Idlib and the locals of Idlib, but there is no longer any kind of significant social revolution going on there now. All access to the area is controlled by HTS and Turkey.

You can be a rhetorical FSA booster to the dead end, but its a bad look. The only thing that seems at all positive to have come from the civil war seems to be Rojava and the Syrian Democratic Council. For the amount of shade thrown on them in this forum, that folks some folks are still touting the virtues of the local councils in Idlib boggles my mind.

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Feb 12 2019 23:38

1) The article of the Syrian anarchist Leyla al-Shami refers to the autumn of the last year. In it she writes about more than 150 councils in Idlib. I fully admit that there are still elements of self-organization in some areas.

2) My question "Do I understand correctly that the anarchists refused to support Autonomous and, unlike Rojava, predominantly non-party Councils in regions such as Daraa and Idlib?" was largely about the past, which is clear from Daraa wich is now occupied by Assad's forces and many people there are repressed.

3) The Assessment that the councils in the Arab regions or in regions with mixed populations are "not party Councils" belongs to Leyla al-Sham. In addition, there are other researchers who write about it, such as Russian scientist (orientalist and political scientist) Kirill Semenov. I remember as Otto Rule wrote once like "centralized party organization is a form of bourgeois organization and its objectives are contrary to the objectives of the Councils". But Of course, some armed factions may influence them by threatening them like Nusra, but in any case, these Councils, as long as they exist (or have existed in the past), are likely to be independent in many internal matters: In any case, this opinion was expressed by both Leyla al-Shami and some experts. May be they wrong, but I have not met a single anarchist who would work in these Councils and could talk about how they operate.

4) "childish insults deleted - warning - be polite or face sanction." - This is a very good decision.
I hope Flint respects Leader of all Kurdish people, Abdullah Ocalan. Leader does not support the rough talk. He is in favour of dialogue. Remember teaching of the Leader.

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Feb 13 2019 13:21
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Touting the last hold outs in Idlib against HTS as some sort of thing to support, and to be clear this is totally abstract internet rhetorical wanking support, is just dumb.

There have been a few cases where the local population has been able to run HTS out of town including the one meerov linked above. You can 'support' basic community self-defence like this (which in some cases will be linked to the local councils) without pretending it's something that it isn't. Also the relationship between the councils and the FSA was not always friendly afaik?

There has been a massive adoption of war on terror rhetoric by a lot of people against everyone living in these areas due to the domination by Islamist militias (leading to support of both US/coalition strikes or them being retaken by the SAA). Recognising that there are some structures (however weakened) opposed to this which are still in those areas is one way to push back against this. Does it have any meaningful effect on what happens on the ground? No it does not, but the way that absolutely fucked people like Beeley and Bartlett have been able to represent Syria to US and European audiences is also a serious problem.

More background for people not familiar with this:
https://libcom.org/library/experience-local-councils-syrian-revolution
https://libcom.org/history/life-work-anarchist-omar-aziz-his-impact-self...

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Feb 13 2019 19:05

I pretty much agree with what Mike Harman wrote.
Also I think that the Syrian councils of deputies created during Saura were predominantly non-parti, and I think that this could be the most important interest. Yes, it seems that these Councils could not become an independent armed force opposing authoritarian groups, repeating the tragic experience of the Russian revolution.

As for Rojava, it seems that this is a normal party-state system. It is possible that for Syrian Kurdistan, this system is currently the most tolerant and secure. There you will not be killed for being a Shiite, Christian or atheist. There you can open your business, and the militants will not come to rob you. Your civil rights, including the right to property and freedom of conscience, are protected by the Rojava Constitution. Homosexuality have been decriminalized in Rojava. Women may hold political office.

It is no secret that the opposition Kurdish parties are subjected to repression as Nymphalis Antiopa says http://dialectical-delinquents.com/articles/class-struggle-histories-2/o... But it is possible that this can be solved, since the United States, which is still protecting Rojava from Turkey insist on the implementation of political pluralism and create peace between the PKK, KDP and other Kurdish parties. Moreover, the PKK called for the unification of all Kurdish parties. In any case I do not rule out that if this region does not become the object of total Turkish or Iranian intervention, it will be able to build a model of some social-democratic state. For the modern Syrian Kurdistan, this is not a bad option when compared with ISIS, Assad, Iran or Erdogan's Turkey. Therefore, talking about humanitarian aid or human rights activities aimed at supporting Rojava make sense. Another thing is that this issue has nothing to do with the libertarian classless society.