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Dec 7 2005 15:53

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Ranting or insulting people with "faith" doesn't achieve anything

I find it can provide a sense of well being. Also, I might be willing to pay people to do it, provided it was especially entertaining and the victims suitably loathsome.

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Dec 8 2005 13:25
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What about all those losers who espouse all that merciful-family-values-love-thy-neighbour twaddle but remain secular? The British Humanist Association and the National Secular Society are easily as bad as the Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and Rastas.

In fact they’re worse, they’re all stick and no carrot. Irrational notions of metaphysical morality abound, self hatred and authoritarian conditioning creating strung out value systems that reward sacrifice over performance.

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Hi LR,

A tad unfair I think. Surely the underlying point of humanism/secularism is to counter the god-botherers' claim that only faith stops people behaving badly towards each other. I'm a humanist for that reason. I try not to fuck people over because I wouldn't like to be fucked over, I need neither carrot nor stick. Beyond that basic agreement, I've encountered plenty of different views/approaches from humanists.

Some of them don't much like what i consider to be amongst their best work - which is the ceremonies (funerals, weddings, namings). Most humans have a need to mark these significant times in their lives - being able to do it without the intervention of a deity none of the participants much care for seems a good thing.

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Dec 8 2005 19:26

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I try not to fuck people over because I wouldn't like to be fucked over.

Why do you think that you will be punished for taking advantage of others?

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Dec 9 2005 14:22
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I try not to fuck people over because I wouldn't like to be fucked over.

Why do you think that you will be punished for taking advantage of others?

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I don't. Why do you imagine that?

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Dec 10 2005 18:29

Hey, Martin even (her words) Sharon understood what you were saying. smile Still if you need some punishing, i'll be round in a minute with my whip.

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Dec 16 2005 16:35

Well we had an initial meeting which went OK. Nice to see old faces happy to work with one and other.

We are aiming to have a major action next Easter. We will be holding another meeting in January. The aim is to have a series of actions leading up to Easter to publicise the aims and intentions of the group.

I will post up the details of the meeting when the date has been arranged. All people who wish to offer assitance will be made most welcome.

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Dec 16 2005 16:44

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Why do you imagine that?

It gives me pleasure. Also, I inferred it from…

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I try not to fuck people over because I wouldn't like to be fucked over.

Is that not the same as “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. Christian bilge, similar to “To each according to their need, from each according to their ability”.

Is Chaos Magic a religion? I know a celebrated practitioner and he’s a diamond. Bit loopy mind, but less mental than you’d think.

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Dec 16 2005 16:51

For the life of me LR, what are you on about?

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Dec 16 2005 16:57

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only faith stops people behaving badly towards each other

I take no pleasure from this highly plausible assertion. Sometimes I wonder if the increase in antisocial crime, rape and violence is consequence of lumpens no longer believing they’ll burn in hell for being so naughty. Thanks a lot, secularists.

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what are you on about?

Those who kneel before gods have no monopoly on irrational belief. What makes one irrational notion worse than another?

By the way, I assume you’ll be throwing out all your old Bob Marley records. Why don’t you set fire to some Rastas dreads, that’ll be a “humorous protest”.

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Dec 19 2005 09:54
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well im pleased to say that i got banned off the Tolling Gang boards for taking the piss out your ridiculous idealist wankness.

Get a fucking life or a clue you daft fucks, people no more want to be preached at by you cunts than they wanna hear the muslims, christians or fucking mormons.

No revol68, you were banned as you refused to enter into any debate, preffering instead to throw insults and garbled criticisms about like a 14 year old with tourettes. red n black star

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Dec 19 2005 10:22
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well im pleased to say that i got banned off the Tolling Gang boards for taking the piss out your ridiculous idealist wankness.

Get a fucking life or a clue you daft fucks, people no more want to be preached at by you cunts than they wanna hear the muslims, christians or fucking mormons.

No revol68, you were banned as you refused to enter into any debate, preffering instead to throw insults and garbled criticisms about like a 14 year old with tourettes. red n black star

well please feel free to repost the thread here then and we can carry on the debate here.

and i'm speaking as an atheist when I tell you your silly little group is as useful as gangsters Toffbusters.

Most people don't like be squaked at by the christians/muslims/hare krishna''s/random wingnut and i don't think a bunch of atheists gobbing off on the street will be anymore popular, infact it will just look like another bunch of sad fucks with a metaphysical axe to grind, meanwhile everyone else just gets on with their shit.

Well try for a minute to address some of the issues rather than behaving like a kidde on his first pint eh?

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Dec 19 2005 12:38

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are you playing medium for the middle voice?

Indeed. Do the Militant Atheists not realise that religious people have visions and hear voices in their head? I understand some people have scores to settle with one sect or another, and I would encourage LMA to implement whatever retribution they feel is appropriate. But, for those of us advanced enough to avoid a religious upbringing, the hapless flocks are already objects of ridicule, persecution, financial confidence trickery and sexual exploitation. They suffer enough at my hands already.

I would support throwing them to the lions, especially at Christmas. Isn’t Compassion based Veganism as bad as Christianity? It’s only a question of popularity.

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Dec 19 2005 13:40
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whilst i think london militant atheists is the kind of thing that would only attract lil cradle of filth fans and losers I just want to take this moment to laugh at can'tdo for not having the intellectual integrity to realise that god doesn't exist.

Ah you understand consciousness entirely do you, how fascinating.

I always had you down as something of a rather childish tool of enlightenment liberalism, but 'intellectual integrity to realise god doesn't exist', jesus you've really put your cards on the table this time.

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Dec 19 2005 13:49
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Well given your intimation that you belive in God, this thread is not for you!

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Depends what you define as god really, if by god you mean a judaeo-christian cpnscious godhead then no obviously not, but if you mean more universalist approaches then my answer would be i don't have a clue amd am not particularly bothered either.

Out of curiousity i'd like to ask a simple questiona simple question, do you smoke, drink or use recreational drugs at all? If so what right do you have to mock anyone for their beleifs which they use to comfort themselves?

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Dec 19 2005 14:00

I don't believe religion brings comfort. All that fear of buring in hell can't do much for ones state of relaxation. The inquisition did not look very comforting either, let alone all that kneeling on hard floors, plus bringing up loads of children because contraception is a mortal sin, can't be too comforting oh no...

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Dec 19 2005 15:44

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do you smoke, drink or use recreational drugs at all? If so what right do you have to mock anyone for their beleifs which they use to comfort themselves?

Why do you have to wait around to be granted rights before you persecute believers? Can’t you just do it for fun? Why does it have to be fair?

Religious people exist for our entertainment and also vivisection, just because we’re as flawed as they are doesn’t mean we should deny ourselves the pleasure.

Well done, I am now an LMA Supporter. Thanks very much, great. Now I feel stupid.

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I don't believe religion brings comfort. All that fear of buring in hell can't do much for ones state of relaxation. The inquisition did not look very comforting either, let alone all that kneeling on hard floors, plus bringing up loads of children because contraception is a mortal sin, can't be too comforting oh no...

Is Satan Worship OK? What about Paganism? I think it's OK to skin Pagans and Buddhists even though they have ostensibly comforting religions.

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Dec 19 2005 22:06
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Out of curiousity i'd like to ask a simple question, do you smoke, drink or use recreational drugs at all?

I wondered how long it'd be before you asked that. wink

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Dec 19 2005 22:07

Can someone delete this thread?? It's really fucking awfully embarassing.

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Dec 20 2005 10:38

Why do you think that eh?

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Dec 20 2005 11:47

Ah I think I see you "point". No single issue campaign has any point and all struggle should be directed at destroying capitalism in it's entirety?

How do you contribute to destroying capitalism then? Quoting lots of dead people to show how intelligent and well read you are?

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Dec 20 2005 13:48

Well it's a first for you not swearing! Please do tell me what YOU do to combat capitalism.

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Dec 20 2005 14:00

So you have an analyis, but do er fuck all? I have met a few people who seem to share your views. If you can get the tightest possible analysis the working classs will adore you for it and rise up...

But go on, admit it,, you do fuck all action eh?

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Dec 20 2005 14:08

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Swearing hurts Jesus more than protest. Revol's monkish lifestyle is certainly paying dividends in venom volume. Are you coming home for Christmas comrade? Hope you get some sex. Are you drinking alone in a hotel on that training course? I feel for you comrade, I really do.

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Dec 20 2005 14:31

So it's fuck all on the action front eh? roll eyes

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Dec 20 2005 14:33

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Revol is a bourgeois, it’s best if he stays out of activism.

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Dec 20 2005 14:34

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I'd like to take that back.

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Dec 20 2005 15:12

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Why don't you two gang up against me. We could do something about programmes or markets if you like, I bet you've got common ground there.

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Dec 20 2005 15:59
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So it's fuck all on the action front eh? roll eyes

may I refer the right honourable poster his mother.

I think it's rather funny that you like to quote loads of people I have never heard of (me and 99% of the population of the world) but you have the syntax of a five year old. So apart from making silly comments about my mum, would you like to tells us what you actually DO apart from swear a lot? I mean, a perfect analysis will change nothing in itself. Do you DO anything?

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Dec 20 2005 18:01

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He helps Santa deliver presents at Christmas.

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