London Militant Atheists

I think its a bloody brilliant idea, religion, if it has to exist at all, should be kept private and not forced down peoples throats. The other week mormons were in ipswich town centre trying to convert this carribean woman - naturally they forgot to tell her that they believe only white people can go to heaven.

The way they inflict their crap on children from such a young age is fucking appalling. We shouldn't tolerate it.

I'm up for contribution, just tell me more!

I am living in Dublin

I have expierence with other survivors of child abuse in actions against church.

you have my support

greets

might be worth trying the national secular society

they have a weekly e-mail newsletter

(not just for members)

you could possibly put something in there?

nss website here:

http://www.secularism.org.uk/

Excellent, we have a start. thanks peeps, given the ex wife has baptized my kids catholic, I also need help finding out more about evil priests, the two things go hand in hand.

I will follow up the suggestions, watch this space!

Freedom reported not so long ago that the secular or athiest society as an all time low membership, you could chase them up, rather than creating yet another organisation.

well, no they don't. they had a revelation, you see.

I'm a Catholic. We rock 8)

You are just a very bad girl. And will go into limbo or was that abolished??!!

Had a revelation my arse, the only revelation they had was when they realised that if they didn't shut the fuck up with their racist crap they would all get beaten the shit out of.

It looks really shit, i think a new organisation should be started. one that based on anarchist principles would help.

greets

shorty - this the sort of info you're looking for?

Silence and secrecy at school where child sex abuse went on for decades

Yesterday's revelations cast a cloud over the late Cardinal Hume's former role at a top Catholic college

Ian Cobain

Friday November 18, 2005

The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/child/story/0,7369,1645438,00.html

Where do u see this going?

'Anarchist Principles' we dont want to get watered down with the proles dont you know......

I think you sound like an embarrassingly mad anarchist version of peter tatchell.

I think you are right!

I need to find a way forward without coming across like Mr Tatchell. That is why I am discussing this rather than just acting. Thanks for the criticism though, spot on.

Maybe a way to start would be to look at how many vacant or run-down properties are being bought up or "developed" by some of the more sinister, cult-like "new" churches, like the vile UKGC (United Kingdom of God Church). I know an anarchist group in London (Walthamstow Anarchists or North London SolFed -- can't remember ) leafletted and campaigned around this issue.

This same UKGC does "charity" bucket collections around London (certainly they're at it in Catford), as a cover for their activities.

Maybe pick a soft target like the Scientologists to start with? The gits had a market type stall in Croydon on Sunday... Free stress tests my arse..

Soft, but incredibly litigious.

Plus you wouldn't have the opportunity to use the great Bill Hicks one-liner: "You're a Christian. Fucking forgive me."

Just had an altercation down our local 'independent evangelical' church which culminated in this fucking fruitloop blessing myself and my partner in crime... Fucking mental - you couldn't make this shit up.

Tell us more!

was standing at the exit to a church on a sunday helping some folk out distrubuting an anti-war leaflet aimed at Xians. The wee pastor guy called over some people and then the secretary plus some elder woman came and told us to piss off, etc. blah blah. Comrade tried to reason with them, saying that we were trying to promote Xian values (leaflet banged on about 6th commandment and the indiscriminate targetting of civilians by occupation forces) and a talk that is taking place. Secretary just said it could be anything - it could be promoting Islam, because it's an anti-war leaflet. OK the racism that statement implies was pretty bad but entirely predictable, but then things took a funny turn when...

The elder then read that the talk was taking place at a hall at a university, and demanded the names of the organisers as this was her university and we were bringing it, the unversity, into by holding an anti-war talk then. Comrade then rightly questioned quite why these two were being so full-on and aggressive. This elder woman then became increasingly aggressive about how it was her university and she would do everything in her power to shut this talk down because we were attacking the university by holding this talk there. Absolute nuts. After she'd sent comrade away in exasperation and emotion she started screaming hallyluyahs at her and blessing us for our sins. It was absolutely mad.

Well ok i wouldn't bother with what you're doing because i don't see religion as being a particularly dominant part oif society in england, and because i'm not an athiest and don't see 'beleif' as some sort of indomitable enemy of humanity.

However, if you were to criticise things firstly i would not call yourselves 'london militant athiests', and secondly i would not criticise beleif. If you wish to criticise organised religion you need to point out the differences between what it purports to be and what it actually is rather than going on a self righteous rant about how people who take comfort in beleif are deluding themselves. Afterall the latter stance is as pointless than preaching tolerance in a pub, since we all have ways of dealing with life. The phrase 'opiate of the people' is as it happens quite literally applicable.

For an example, my gran lived most of her life on church owned property in southwark. The rent was kept low in order to provide dockers and their families with accomadation. Schools in the area were also often run by the local parish. Now the church is in debt to the tune of 800 million due to its dubious investments overseas it intends to sell its properties in southwark off to private property developers who will drive up rents forcing older tenants out.

Now going in and criticising the concept of beleif in this case would just be pointless, especially since many of the older tnenants are quite religious anyway. The point is to show the church synod to be hypocrites and moneymen and show how they differ from ideas of christian asceticism. However thia invloves expressing some admiration for ''original christian ideals'', yet it is clearly the best way forward for the tenants campaign rather than just attacking the notion of religion outright wihich they wopuld neither wish nor need to do.

I still don't see religion as a particularly big issue though, because with the exception of isolated incidents and areas it does not dominate english culture.

Well given your intimation that you belive in God, this thread is not for you!

I don't think he came across anywhere as believing in God, and besides that wasn't his main point. In the example he gave, going in and being all "militantly atheist" would get you absolutely nowhere. Besides, a large proportion of people in this country don't really give much of a shit about religion anyway. From reading the thread it seems your issue is with what organised religion does, like corruption within the church or whatever, rather than the notion of belief itself, so maybe campaigning as 'atheists' wouldn't do you many favours. Even religious people can disgree with the way religion is run and the things that religion does, so you'd probably get more support from your average religious person if you didn't go in raving at them.

I want to attack faith as well. Get people to wake up and use their brains and insult them if they refuse.

With such a mature approach I doubt we'll have to wait long before the entire country becomes secular

Yeah well Grace, perhaps a more mature approach might be to write endless diatribes on message boards that few people read... Would this work? No, like fuck it would.

At least I am getting off my arse and doing something.

Hi

What about all those losers who espouse all that merciful-family-values-love-thy-neighbour twaddle but remain secular? The British Humanist Association and the National Secular Society are easily as bad as the Christians, Muslims, Buddhists and Rastas.

In fact they’re worse, they’re all stick and no carrot. Irrational notions of metaphysical morality abound, self hatred and authoritarian conditioning creating strung out value systems that reward sacrifice over performance.

Love

LR

No, not at all. Good on you for 'doing something' but really, ranting at people and insulting them if they refuse? Jeez, religious people are gonna think you're nutty enough just for being atheists, without you taking that approach... It's all well and good doing something about it, but by being so immature you'd pretty much fail before you'd even started.

While I think religion is stupid, and people with religious beliefs also pretty stupid, Grace is right here. Ranting or insulting people with "faith" doesn't achieve anything...