Why I hate capitalism and why I can't fight it

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Mar 2 2007 10:54
revol68 wrote:
As I said, if I shared those crude assumptions I'd have to share those opinions too, fortunately I don't and hence I can avoid being a patronising, moralising prick, constantly telling people how and what they should or shouldn't desire, how they should or how they shouldn't express their identity and have "consciousness raising" as a modus operandi [1].

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firstly, stop using latin you muppet, it's neither big or clever

And this is called being 'confused'.

EDIT: I want to make "shake in your boots bureacrat......." my tagline - but this isn't possible at the moment, right?

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Jan 8 2008 19:11
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I have a personal, and yet, political question to pose: how can I, personally, contribute to the overthrow of capitalism?

how too do your part? inform, the majority are ignorant too what is going on behind the scenes on both sides, tell people, make posters, anything too make people think and research the facts, rather than what they are told.

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Jan 8 2008 22:02

Actually, people know a lot more about how things are than you think, they're just (justifiably) jaded about doing anything about it. And just telling people things that seem to be true is worth nothing if a power relation makes them false in practice. Nationalism works. State "socialism" sells. You can't fight that with stickers and posters.

Anyway, things have changed a lot with me in the year or so that has passed since I first posted this. I know what I can do to overthrow capitalism: stir up trouble, raise class consciousness as much as I can, act in the workplace where I'm most powerful, etc, all this while deepening my analysis of capitalism and of historical materialism. It's incredible just how complex yet simple the former are, by the way: I mean, I came to the place I work in with vague notions and ideas, and after less than a year, I can see results in the field. It's wonderful stuff.

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Jan 8 2008 22:48
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I can see results in the field.

Ha ha. Yeah you've dropped out of uni, live off your parents and work in a shop. It's going great. Why don't you take advantage of your academic background and stop insulting the poor by taking the sort of shit jobs they have to do through necessity rather than "radical" choice?

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Jan 8 2008 23:13

If I find an alternate workplace which provides a similarly powerful platform for class struggle while making better use of my qualifications (i.e., pays me better and/or allows me to keep the same kind of pay and work less hours), I just might. Right now I'm going to stick with this job, thank you very much: it's taught me a lot about working with other people and about organizing, I think, and it pays the rent with quite a bit left over. Also, quite a few of my work-mates are "overqualified" for the job, so they don't feel like I'm mocking them by working there. You may feel so, but who cares about what you feel?

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Jan 8 2008 23:35

Pah. You had a breakdown during your Msc and you blame capitalism, but really it's because you're weak. You could have learnt an honest trade on the building site if your personality disorder didn’t make you feel paranoid about your boss. As if he made you feel stupid, you do it to yourself you daft loser. Get some sex.

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Jan 8 2008 23:56

I may be weak, but capitalism is decadent, which is a lot worse. Or is it the other way around? I'm no longer sure.

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Jan 9 2008 00:18

It looks decadent because you view it on your knees. And not even your real knees: your imaginary knees. The struggle is an invention of your mind, there are no parts for any of us to play.

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Apr 9 2008 06:23

Yes, I too can't stand the construct in which we are forced to behave in. (In other words; Fuck all this bossing people around, and being bossed around shit.)
Currently, I am "The Boss." of sorts (The VP of my company) Don't know how I got here...Showed up early, stayed late and did what the CEO asked of me. Now I've earned his trust and make a decent salary. I started using into work as a drug when my boyfriend, and soon to be fiance died in 2006...I needed a distraction. But now I am really at odds with myself because I'm not a Capitalist at all. Not in spirit...

Not even a little bit...

I just want everyone to be happy. Capitalism will always ensure that someone gets the shit end of the stick.

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Jul 5 2008 13:36

why do you blame capitalism?

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Jul 5 2008 13:40

but you worked your butt off to get where you are, a quality most don't have today. What about those who don't work, and want more? The responsibility is theirs alone to better their life.

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Jul 7 2008 12:11

Tree,
Just at the moment I don't think you'd have much chance of getting a decent job in construction - or if you had one, keeping it.
On the question of bosses, etc: Bosses, supervisors and the like, by dint of their positions in the capitalist process, express the necessarily negative aspects of the system that they are beholding to, often at the lower levels they themselves are squeezed. and abused, But that doesn't stop their pressurising, bullying and the expressing the particular aspects of gangsterism that I've seen developing within all layers of management during the last two decades particularly.
I don't share the positions of your detractors on here particularly expressed in the contemptible 'go and top yourself'. I don't think abuse and suicide websites are an answer to your questions.
I don't agree with blacknred when he says that concerns about mortality, ie, getting older, should militate against revolutionary thought and activity. On the contrary.
Tree, whatever your moans or not about your particular situation, you're something of a beacon in Israel defending the positions you do in the circumstances you are in. There's a practical lesson for your abusers here if they've got the wit to see it. You must continue to develop these positions with a firmer marxist framework. That could, in the first instance, make you feel more isolated, but all revolutionaries are swimming against the tide. And this of course is the great difficulaty, the major problem for the working class - making a revolution when it exists within, is bound up into capitalism itself. But we know the working class can make this leap. Its immediate needs are solidarity and unification.
I don't think you should work for the police (though they are increasingly relying on civilian workers who have their own specific interests), nor should you get involved in electioneering as you seem to suggest above.
Keeping up what local activities, contacts and involvements you can is important and good for the soul. But my advice is develop your positions internationally because they are internationalist positions. The development of which is the best way strengthen the ability to swim against the tide. And if you think that this is a difficult challenge, just wait until the revolution.

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Jul 7 2008 15:14
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but you worked your butt off to get where you are, a quality most don't have today. What about those who don't work, and want more? The responsibility is theirs alone to better their life.

ah so that's why my boss is only in the office 2 or 3 days a week. this is a libertarian communist forum, telling workers to work harder isn't going to go down well.

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Jul 7 2008 16:01
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ah so that's why my boss is only in the office 2 or 3 days a week. this is a libertarian communist forum, telling workers to work harder isn't going to go down well.

Don't be so hard on him Joseph K. Thanks to his earth shattering comment I no go in on the weekends and work for free! That'll make me millions in the long run!!

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Jul 7 2008 19:24
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Tree,
Just at the moment I don't think you'd have much chance of getting a decent job in construction - or if you had one, keeping it.
On the question of bosses, etc: Bosses, supervisors and the like, by dint of their positions in the capitalist process, express the necessarily negative aspects of the system that they are beholding to, often at the lower levels they themselves are squeezed. and abused, But that doesn't stop their pressurising, bullying and the expressing the particular aspects of gangsterism that I've seen developing within all layers of management during the last two decades particularly.
I don't share the positions of your detractors on here particularly expressed in the contemptible 'go and top yourself'. I don't think abuse and suicide websites are an answer to your questions.
I don't agree with blacknred when he says that concerns about mortality, ie, getting older, should militate against revolutionary thought and activity. On the contrary.
Tree, whatever your moans or not about your particular situation, you're something of a beacon in Israel defending the positions you do in the circumstances you are in. There's a practical lesson for your abusers here if they've got the wit to see it. You must continue to develop these positions with a firmer marxist framework. That could, in the first instance, make you feel more isolated, but all revolutionaries are swimming against the tide. And this of course is the great difficulaty, the major problem for the working class - making a revolution when it exists within, is bound up into capitalism itself. But we know the working class can make this leap. Its immediate needs are solidarity and unification.
I don't think you should work for the police (though they are increasingly relying on civilian workers who have their own specific interests), nor should you get involved in electioneering as you seem to suggest above.
Keeping up what local activities, contacts and involvements you can is important and good for the soul. But my advice is develop your positions internationally because they are internationalist positions. The development of which is the best way strengthen the ability to swim against the tide. And if you think that this is a difficult challenge, just wait until the revolution.

I'd like to thank you for your kind words, baboon, albeit almost two years after the fact. Since the time alluded to in the opening post, I have bounced back from depression, worked a year in retail, written an opinion piece that felt outdated as soon as it was published, made attempts at organizing in my branch which ultimately proved fruitless, and am now returning to a venue in which my work-power can be sold for a higher price, namely, computer programming/integration/what have you. I have come to conclude that, under my circumstances of life, the most proletarian thing I can do is to gain some work experience in this old-new field of high tech and then emigrate from this locus of tribal violence, fueled by opposing imperialist interests, though I am not completely certain as to where my destination should be, exactly. Prices are rising, wages will be dropping, especially in the high-tech sector which depends on a strong dollar, and I really see no practical reason to stay here. I will miss my friends and family, but if they have any sense they'll do the same, if they can. It might not be brave and noble and evangelical of me to leave here, but I have nothing to lose but a growing sense of overwhelming nationalist fervor, and a clinging to an ethnic identity I feel little sympathy for. Even that is quite irrelevant at the moment, as I only intend to act in that direction at least a year from now.

My quest for a firmer analytical framework only left me more confused than I was before I had started. I no longer think that Marxist and proletarian are the same thing, and I am unsure as to whether proletarian and revolutionary are the same thing. I think that there is something missing in the analysis, and for the life of me, I cannot really fathom what it is. I don't understand the process by which a proletarian becomes an anti-proletarian force in terms of a waged police officer, I don't see how one can harmonize an impersonal material interests analysis with personal opprobrium towards scabs and managers and, finally, I really don't understand how nationalism, an ideology so obviously geared towards the interests of the ruling class, and so blithely ignored by them whenever they fancy, is nevertheless so firmly entrenched among the proletariat, the same force destined to overthrow this ruling class.

In any case, I am ashamed to say that aside from reading, snide remarks, the occasional small argument and a few updates for libcom news, I have done nothing political in more than six months, and I invest most of my time in work, D&D and sex. Hopefully this will change in the future, but this is how things are now. I'm afraid I am not the internationalist white horse to save the Middle East from its impending doom.

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Jul 8 2008 17:49
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I invest most of my time in work, D&D and sex.

D&D and sex? Wow!

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Jul 8 2008 19:05

Not at the same time I hope.

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Jul 8 2008 22:26
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D&D and sex? Wow!

I was thinking exactly the same. ToJ did you meet the other half at some games festival?

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Jul 9 2008 17:41

I don't really understand why anyone would believe this stereotype about D&Ders not getting laid. What do you think really happens at those conventions where hundreds of teens are sleeping away from home right next to each other? They just sit around rolling dice until they fall asleep?

I met none of my current lovers in the D&D circuits, though a former one led me to the team I normally play with.

IDF girls are mostly boring teenagers with poor hygiene. I usually hang out with girls who've never served or who are a while after the service.

Anyway, yeah, I always have a few condoms and my set of many-sided dice with me wherever I go, and I get to use both fairly regularly. I haven't done both at the same time, and, to be honest, none of my characters has ever managed to get laid.

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Jul 9 2008 23:10

so we're talking dungeons and dragons and not drink and drugs? to be fair that's a more impressive pairing, fair play

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Jul 10 2008 08:06

I can see it now. Roll d20. 1 = Grope, 2 = ...

Actually, I think I'll stop there.

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Jul 10 2008 08:20
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I don't really understand why anyone would believe this stereotype about D&Ders not getting laid. What do you think really happens at those conventions where hundreds of teens are sleeping away from home right next to each other? They just sit around rolling dice until they fall asleep?

Hmmm, I used to go to a lot of these conventions... 99,9% of them were guys. So depending on the way you were swinging it could be very slim pickings. And to be fair those girls that did go to these conventions were, well, mingers. Easier to get laid outside the conventions.

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Jul 10 2008 17:05

More girls and gays in Israeli geekdom, hence more skrewage. Srsly.

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Jul 10 2008 17:06

Also I heard Renn Fairs in the US were totally ethical slutfests. Is that true?

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Oct 3 2012 19:41

lol, I hate capitalsm, but you are the reason it exsists.

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Mar 21 2014 23:54

Castigation is not a word moron,the US community needs to stop fusing spanish with english or its no longer english,but something other than english...SPANGLISH!!!!

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Mar 22 2014 02:31

I know, Anon…, it's appalling how English has been contaminated by Spanish words. Hence forth we should all stop using albatross, alligator, anchovy, armadillo,banana, cafeteria, canoe, canyon, cargo, Florida, hurricane, mustang, patio, plaza, renegade, tomato, tuna, vanilla, and so on and so on.

Idiot.

edit: actually, catigation comes from the latin castigatio, which predates Spanish as it is spoken now, making your comment even stupider. Down with the contamination of the English language with other languages from which it evolved!

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Mar 22 2014 02:32

"the US community"
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Mar 22 2014 11:43

I blame them bleedin normans. Back to Anglo-saxon... the real language of the... er... US community...

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Mar 24 2014 23:43

Wierdest thread resurrection ever.