New Lucy Parsons biography

I've definitely seen this before, except the reasons are usually clearly given alongside it:

http://lucyparsons.org/biography-iww.php

I had heard this before, I think it was mentioned in the "Revolutionary Classics" paperback Lucy Parsons: Freedom, Equality & Solidarity: Writings & Speeches, 1878-1937 which I read some time ago.

I'd heard about her "words and polemics" with Goldman about free love, though I can't remember any details about her own love life ever being mentioned. I think she was wrong to oppose free love regardless of what she did in the privacy of her own bedroom, and pointing out her hypocrisy on the issue (if true) seems an unnecessarily cheap shot, and not particularly helpful.

~J.

Aye I suppose so. It just feels a bit iffy to me going into details of her sex life when discussing her debates with Goldman about free love. Maybe you're right and she effectively invited that when she decided to comment on those issues in the first place. Maybe it just feels iffy to me specifically because she was a woman, and everyone always feels entitled to give their two cents on women's sex lives whether or not it actually has anything to do with anything.

It's not like I generally lose much sleep over prominent homophobes being outed as practicing homosexuals, although there again I actually don't think it's all that relevant to how harmful their political ideas are, and I think it's generally counterproductive to centre in on that narrative of the "self hating closet case" as an explanation for their behaviour since it reinforces some pretty damaging stereotypes about queer people in general.

Honestly I think instances of individuals advocating small-c conservative sexual politics whilst failing to actually live up to the standards they expect everyone else to adhere to are so common that they're just not at all interesting to me any more. What interests me more is why that sexual politics continues to be reproduced and enjoys broad support regardless of the fact that many if not most people - including it's staunch advocates - continually prove themselves incapable of actually following its decrees.

~J.

Juan ---

I suspect much of this was based on her personal relationships with folks like Jay Fox, Bill Foster.
Jay Fox was an older militant who took to the cause of the Haymarket Maytars,. As he, as a young man, was in Chicago and participated in the May Day events and subsequent freedom & solidarity activities.

If I'm recalling this correctly, Bill Foster and members of the "International Trade Union Educational League" (1915-ish) lived in Lucy Parson's boarding home. So she got to know him and members of his crowd pretty good.

I recall Dologoff's take was different. He felt she was manipulated through flattery and other means by the CPers (see Dolgoff's "Fragments"). And that anyone doing stuff and is radical should be supported.

I make no claims to actually know what was and wasn't. And some of this stuff, like most things, prolly falls in the middle.

I guess what I was trying to say is that her entry into, say the International Labor Defense or even as a soft CP member would have been made easier through those long establish contacts. Of course, all this is speculation. And I get the sense that her main aim, regardless of venue, was to keep the memory of the Haymarket alive. And the defense of class war prisoners in general. By the time the IWW was repressed, split and started to reconstitute, the growing and main left movements were those in the CP orbit(s). She could have been an "anarchist at heart", but a organizational drifter as the times arose.

I hope it is better than Carolyn Ashbaugh's terrible biography Lucy Parsons: American Revolutionary which are reprinted in 2012 by Haymarket Books. As I discuss in my review, Ashbaugh had no notion of what anarchism means and went so far as to suggest Lucy Parsons -- like the Haymarket Martyrs -- were not anarchists! She also seems to be the source of the claim -- unsubstantiated -- that she joined the Communist Party.

I'm not sure I agree (but not strongly disagree) with the assessment of the Ashbaugh book. I surely do not think she was the source for the CP rumor. The Dolgoff's used to talk about it as well. And they "sorta" knew her (and def others around her).

Personally, the late Bruce Nelson's book "Beyond the Martyrs: A Social History of Chicago's Anarchists, 1870–1900" make the claim that the anarchists weren't really even anarchists, but socialists of the marxian school. My own guess is that anarchism and the forerunner of modern anarcho-syndicalism, basically had its feet in both the anarchist and socialist camps. The American variant emerging, in large measure, out a more "socialistic" camp.

I've not read Anarcho's Ashblauh's review, so I shall't comment further until I read it.

The author of this book also wrote a piece for the Washington Post. Somewhere in the middle section of this one, she describes three types of anarchists during Lucy Parson's time;

-the first group consisted of those which favored trade unions, represented by Parsons herself.

-the second group consisted of those the author calls “radical libertarians” who were “contemptuous of all kinds of associations”, including voluntary ones.

-and the third group were those that "favored a strong workers’ state, the kind that yielded totalitarian regimes such as the Soviet Union".

The first two groups don't really surprise me at all, as far as descriptions go. But that third one definitely seems very off. I wonder if that is even elaborated in her book.

So I guess no one has read this book yet. Not even Anarcho?

For what its worth, some of the reviews on Amazon and Goodreads are interesting to look at.

The one star review that comes up on the Amazon page is pretty harsh. But who knows for sure if its fair or not.

It kind of made me want to read it more just to find out whether it really is as bad as all that - it certainly makes it sound godawful.

I can't say for sure whether or not that review is a fair assessment, since I haven't read the book myself, but the overly critical tone does kind of resonate. I mean, how many times do you read a history book on the labor movement of that time - or radical elements within that history - and come away feeling disappointed, like you've wasted your time and money (if you've spent any), because it didn't seem like the historian in question actually thought about methodology before they carried out their 'investigation' and writing? Historians do not even need to be an anarchist - they can be of liberal, conservative or social democratic persuasions for all we know - and still deliver something of value rather than a sounding board for the author's obvious biases and 'filling in the blanks'.

Ashbaugh may not even need a 'notion of what anarchism means'; what a historian shouldn't do is pigeonhole their subjects into preconceived categories. Whether the Parsons and fellow Chicago radicals called themselves 'anarchists', 'social revolutionaries', or 'revolutionary socialists' doesn't really matter, as they are labels used for political self identification. What begs investigation is the ideas, the rationalisations for their activities, which to outsiders might seem to be illogical or irrational. Why do these historians find that so hard to grasp?

According to a reviewer on Goodreads, Nelson uses a demographic analysis to prove that they were 'socialists of the marxian school'. Now that just sounds rather silly to me if that is true. A demographic analysis is surely interesting, but to use it to prove that they were 'marxians' is pretty meaningless. Why does that even matter? Nevertheless, I am planning to read Nelson's book sometime in the future. Not sure about this new Lucy Parsons biography though. Since its nearly four hundred pages, surely there has got to be something in there that's worthwhile?

It is, but it seems justified. I checked the reviewer's other reviews; they were nearly all about radical history or biographies and many of them had 4 and 5 stars... This books seems to have ticked Marius off...