"The Maknho Myth" responses?

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jonwade92
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Jul 15 2013 07:33
"The Maknho Myth" responses?

As I'm sure you all know, anytime the free territory is brought up to Leninsts, this link is copy pasted into the conversation. Are there any written responses to it? I haven't stumbled across anything and I'm tired of seeing it posted everywhere. http://kasamaproject.org/en/history/2310-42the-myth-of-makhno-and-its-pr...

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Jul 15 2013 20:43

http://anarchism.pageabode.com/anarcho/on-the-bolshevik-myth

jonwade92
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Jul 16 2013 00:15

these were linked to me shortly after posting this
http://www.anarkismo.net/article/25430
http://www.nestormakhno.info/english/makfaq.html

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Jul 16 2013 15:29

Why does anyone pay attention to Kasama? They are Maoists who support electoral nonsense in Nepal and India as well as strike-breaking in the former.

jonwade92
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Oct 6 2013 06:29

Because Leninists need to invent reasons for why anarchism "can never work" and "has never worked", so when they need an argument against Makhno, they link right to that bullshit.

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Oct 6 2013 06:48

Anarchism doesn't have leaders, they have figureheads. So anarchists don't have to account for others quite so much.

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Oct 6 2013 09:58
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Cresspot, you make them sound like the Queen of England surprised

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Oct 6 2013 10:21
Black Badger wrote:
Why does anyone pay attention to Kasama? They are Maoists who support electoral nonsense in Nepal and India as well as strike-breaking in the former.

Because:

1. The fact that a disreputable person makes a statement doesn't mean it is not true. We have to be able to defend our position and, where necessary, our tradition, from criticisms by others.

2. Third parties can be influenced by criticisms of others, even if the people making the criticism are politically bankrupt themselves.

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Oct 6 2013 18:57
Ablokeimet wrote:
Black Badger wrote:
Why does anyone pay attention to Kasama? They are Maoists who support electoral nonsense in Nepal and India as well as strike-breaking in the former.

Because:

1. The fact that a disreputable person makes a statement doesn't mean it is not true. We have to be able to defend our position and, where necessary, our tradition, from criticisms by others.

2. Third parties can be influenced by criticisms of others, even if the people making the criticism are politically bankrupt themselves.

Are a bunch of Maoists really likely to hinder the class struggle in any meaningful way by slandering Makhno, though? I'm not very familiar with Kasama, but I can't imagine they're especially influential among the wider population. There rarely seems to be much practical value in proving how wrong small Leninist groups are about this or that historical issue.

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Oct 10 2013 01:26

I checked the Kasama link, and I saw that it wasn't originally theirs. The source is: http://www.isreview.org/issues/53/makhno.shtml That publication of the ISO, American Trotskyists, rooted in the IS Tendency though not formally linked. Maoists borrowing from Trotskyists, a veritable united front against Makhno...

Of course, this origin makes tha article neither better nor worse. I agree that these kinds of articles should be effectively countered, nio matter we what the exact source. People read these kind of things, and if no one points out what is wrong with it, these kind of things tend to be accepted as true or at least sensible. Basically the points Ablokeimet makes, in fact.

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Oct 14 2013 14:50

are there any anarchist critiques of the free territories out there?