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Oct 14 2007 21:55
Warning - "leftists" are not our comrades!

I would like to share a little story from Norway. In the "revolutionary" wave following the punk rock rebellions in Oslo in the late -70ies, and early -80ies, young punks, anarchists, pot-smokers, council communists and left communists, fought street fights against the "terror squad" (now demolished) police force. The police used the usual means; mass arrests, tear gas, battons, horses etc.etc.. The "leftists" - mostly Trotskyites (and some Maoists), tried to force the rebellious movement into their own groups.

"Leftists" arranged a large concert tour around in Norway, where punk bands could play. But, in Oslo, it did not go so smooth. One of the revolutionary young punks, entered the largest concert scene in Norway, stopped the "leftist" boss who tried to get support from the punks, and told to the audience that these "reformists should never believe they would get anything from the punks in Oslo". And, generally speaking, Trotskyites, Stalinists, and in particular Maoists, never really made any success in trying to get support from the young punks. What was particularly annoying were the Maoists, who just a few earlier declared that "rock music was foreign to Norway and, in fact was "American Imperialism". The Maoist politicians had no real interest in the culture of the young rebels. This has told me to never trust Maoists. (In Norway the Maoists have been the largest parties on the "far left".)

SWP people (yes, from the U.K.) made an entry into a Norwegian socialist youth group (in order to get them to start a branch of the SWP/IS in Norway). They succeded after a while. Before they were able to start an IS group in Norway, the SWP fans got rid of their 4th International rivals. While they still were "one" (in the "Worker´s Power Group" AMG), they used the young punks, "lumpen proletarians", and anarchists/libertarian communists/council communists/left communists etc.,- and, generally speaking, people without a home, to stage their own Trotskyite squatting "experiment". They never did tell who was behind all this. But some familiar SWP people were present, "like fish in the sea"...

The results?
Today the IS Trotskyites have joined the "leftist" party "Rødt"/"Red", which gets 2-3 % of the votes in elections. They have the "governor" in a small city on the Southern coast of Norway. This Party is an opportunist group, with, largely ex-Maoists who are getting "sick and tired" defendig Stalin and Mao. They have not made any political changes really. They just want to "forget". Now, these days, almost all the former anarchists are gone into the system. The Blitz autonomous house (the "sister house" of the "Ungdomshuset" in Denmark) is still holding on, but the revolutionary milieu, with the Jaap Bookshop (namned after Jaap von Housman - a Dutch anarchist - as far as I can remember, maybe I have misspelt the name) as the main source of anarchist/libertarian communisr/council communist/left communist ideas and litterature in Norway, is, sadly, gone.

The "left" succeded in transforming a genuine revolt into passivity, discouragement and much, much drugs...

Do not trust a "leftist"!

Wesensteen.

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Oct 14 2007 22:33

The Jaap bookshop is still there, even if it has very few customers these days. We have a website at http://jaap.frihetlig.org/
It's actually named after a fictional character, Jaap van Huysmann, who was the anarchist villain in a series of popular detective novels from the 1910s and 20s.

We also organize regular open meetings at the same address. Read more at www.frihetlig.org.

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Oct 14 2007 22:34

What? are you saying that it's the AKP who made Oslo punks do drugs?

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Oct 14 2007 22:58

wait wait, you are telling me there were so many squatter punks the SWP were actively trying to use them en masse?

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Oct 14 2007 23:04

wait a second, are you saying...

eta sorry this was just a bad joke wink

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Oct 15 2007 02:50

we are leftists...

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Oct 15 2007 15:49

Your history is very selective, but your nick is good.

Blitz seriously lost any revolutionary credibility a long, long time ago. In the 90s at least they were all just a buch of lifestylist. Still, they had good food and lots of good gigs.

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Oct 16 2007 17:45

When given two choices, take the third - become a maoist.

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Oct 16 2007 22:51
Khawaga wrote:
Your history is very selective, but your nick is good.

Blitz seriously lost any revolutionary credibility a long, long time ago. In the 90s at least they were all just a buch of lifestylist. Still, they had good food and lots of good gigs.

Would you elaborate on that?

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Oct 17 2007 01:12
OliverTwister wrote:
When given two choices, take the third - become a maoist.

are you saying that maoists are better than punks and trots?

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Oct 18 2007 15:11
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I'd rather be a trotskyist than a punk!

we know guy.

we know.

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Oct 18 2007 17:29
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OliverTwister wrote:
When given two choices, take the third - become a maoist.

are you saying that maoists are better than punks and trots?

No a couple days ago someone quoted Mao saying "when given two choices, take the third".

I make no relative value judgements on those categories.

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Nov 9 2007 17:14

Well I dont considers any communist my friend, or maoist, and I would never march by their side.. or with anyone that think they can be my or others peoples bosses. Would you march by the likes of that and accept authority ?

anyways I have some other information that I would like to share :

I have been in touch with ANORG, and I have been in touch with numeros people warning me about them. To those who does not know the background Story of ANORG I recomend tthat you read about it in the link below.

http://www.3monkeyz.net/phpBB3/Norwegian/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=23

There you find the warning of ANORG, and ANORGS own reply and more...

Further on, It seems that these people are very active using in the internet and media to spread information about their organizations, AFID AFIN AFIS AI are just some names they use. They claim to be member of IFA /AF but their not in fact they have started their own version of IFA where the headquarter is in Mr. Fagerhus living room..

This is a letter with information about ANORG and the question is what should the anarchists of scandinavia do when ANORG spreads wrongfully information try to take over names of newspapers and organizations, claiming that anarchist groups are marxists and hooligans..

for example here is their news release on ungdomshuset in copenhagen.

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DIALOG 1, 2007

Marxister overvejer attentater.

Næste skridt efter rydningen af Ungdomshuset kan blive egentlig terror. Marxister drøfter lige nu muligheden af f.eks. brandattentater mod overborgmester Ritt Bjerregaard (S).

Kort om sagen

Ungdomshuset blev til i 1982, hvor Københavns Kommune overlod brugsretten til bygningen på Jagtvej 69 til de unge. I 2000 bliver bygningen solgt til Human A/S, der året efter videresolgte til den kristne frimenighed Faderhuset. Efter syv års politiske og juridiske tovtrækkerier blev de unge brugere sat på gaden den 1. marts 2007, i en dramatisk politiaktion. De næste dage udviklede massive protester sig til hærværk (oklarki) i København, og politiet satte hårdt mod hårdt, i hvad der regnes for den største politiaktion i Danmark nogensinde. Faderhuset valgte at rive huset på Jagtvej 69 ned under politibeskyttelse, og på stedet ligger nu en tom grund. Samtidig forsøger de forhenværende ungdomshus-brugere at få et nyt brugerstyret hus. Forsøgene har hidtil ikke båret frugt. Hadet mod myndighederne vokser blandt marxisterne fra miljøet omkring Ungdomshuset i København. Nogle af de mest yderligtgående unge marxisterne diskuterer nu aktionsformer, der hidtil har været næsten ukendte i det danske samfund. De ser brandattentater og kidnapninger som muligheder for at føre deres kamp videre og har blandt andre Københavns overborgmester, Ritt Bjerregaard (S), og Ruth Evensen fra den kristne menighed Faderhuset i tankerne. »Folk er trætte af militante aktioner, der ikke virker. Det ville være mere effektivt med personoverfald, brandattentater eller kidnapninger. Det kunne være en betjent, Ritt Bjerregaard eller Ruth Evensen«, siger en marxist, der i flere år har færdedes dagligt i Ungdomshuset og tilhører inderkredsen i miljøet.

AFID advarer mod terror

»Det er ikke noget, vi aktivt planlægger nu, men man diskuterer muligheden og den effekt, det vil have. Lige nu ser vi det som en teoretisk mulighed. Hvis ikke der kommer en løsning, vil volden eskalere. For hvis ikke politikerne vil høre på os, må de mærke os«, siger marxisten. AFID advarer mod en mere voldelig og militant udvikling blandt ekstremister. Vi mener, at bl.a. rydningen af Ungdomshuset bliver brugt i ekstremistiske marxistiske miljøer som påskud for en yderligere radikalisering. Efter AFID's opfattelse er ekstremistiske miljøer både på højre- og venstrefløjen blevet mere militante, og den udvikling kan føre til egentlig terrorisme. Det er AFID's vurdering, at man i visse kredse tilsyneladende er indstillet på at tage mere voldelige metoder i brug.

Vigtigt at sige fra i tide.

AFID drager paralleller til 1970'erne og 1980'erne, hvor man bl.a. på den yderste venstrefløj så dannelsen af terrorgrupper som Rote Armé Fraktion (RAF-ml, Baader-Meinhof-gruppen). Baader-Meinhof-gruppen siger: » Vi hævder, at det er rigtig og retfærdigt, at der her og nu opbygges by-guerillaer, og at den væbnede kamp i marxismen-leninismens højeste form (Mao) nu kan og må indledes. Vi er ikke anarkister.« Netop terrorgrupper som det marxistiske Rote Armé Fraktion er tilsyneladende meget centrale i bevidstheden hos mange aktivister i miljøet omkring Ungdomshuset. På flere danske aktivisthjemmesider debatteres Rote Armé Fraktion indgående, og adskillige indlæg på siderne viser sympati for gruppen. Erfaringen fra 1970'erne og 1980'erne viser, hvor vigtigt det er, at der i tide siges fra og sættes ind over for en udvikling, der kan føre til egentlig terrorisme. AFID mener, det er vigtigt, at vi alle aktivt tager afstand fra enhver form for voldelig radikalisering, oklarki, hvad enten den er politisk (marxistisk) eller religiøst motiveret. »Anarki er ret og frihed uden vold.«

AFID 09.06.2007

You may reply or comment this article in the forums of 3monkeyz, skandinavian anarchist portal..
http://www.3monkeyz.net/phpBB3/Norwegian/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=31

yes.. I just opened it grin so if your from scandinavia and wanna build a own community. then join up smile the site link is www.3monkeyz.net A few has already signed up though mostly its aNORG that uses this forum as of now.

Below you will find all the information and analysis regarding ANORG that I have found.. its taken from a email I sent to AF and IFA.

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When it comes to ANORG and their organizations I am not sure how to approach this problem. The name I gave you last time might be fake ( L.Jakobsen) I have done some research on ANORG and here is what i found out.

Organization Name : Anarkistenes Organisasjon (ANORG)
Post Address : Postboks 4777, Sofienberg
Postal Code : N-0506 Oslo
Phone Number : +47 22 37 16 07
Email Address : haraldfa@hedning.no

I think his real name is Harald Fagerhus, judging from the email above. the email address above belongs to this domain http://www.hedning.no/ This is a Atheist group in norway that was very active in media and news a few years back. translated it means "Heathen.no" and is a organization for atheism and against religion.

The webmaster of this site is Harald fagerhus, however the registrated information on the heathen society belongs to a Halvor Jakobsen ( it might be L.jakobsen) he might also be an employee at http://www.powertech.no/ which is the webhost company that hosts all of ANORGS webpages and the heathen society.

(look below for information on heathen society domain) notice the email address there HalvorJ@powertech I suspect "J" might stand for Jakobsen, and that this person might have a middle name that begins with L ( L. Jakobsen, the name that was used when contacting me). So these names are not aliases as the website flag.blackened suggests.

the address info on http://www.hedning.no/
Organization Name : Hedningsamfunnet (the heathen society)
Post Address : Colletts gt. 31b
Postal Code : N-0169 Oslo
Phone Number : +47 22 56 65 55
Email Address : halvorj@powertech.no

I also have done some research on who Fagerhus is, apparantly he is a leader of the heathen society, a writer of many books and possible a syndicalist, this man cannot be mentally ill or a fascist in disguise. When i judge the books he has published, and the information I find about him, this man appears to be a huge resource and well educated both at university and about anarchism.

Why he or them would take the names of IFA, AF I do not know. It might be related to the refusal of membership they got from AF/IFA many years ago, and from this have decided to form their own version of IFA in protest/Demonstration.. to me it sounds like lunacy.. however as I said above about fagerhus that cannot be so.

I can only speculate, and also I do not know the details of things ( events) that has happened long time ago between ANORG and ABC copenhagen , AF/IFA and other groups in scandinavia. The newspaper brand ( fire) said in their email to me that ANORG claimed one time that brand was their news publication, I have asked if they have documentation for this as I would like to confront ANORG with these things and get a proper answer.

Brand have given me this link as evidence of ANORGS attempt on takeover :

http://www [DOT] anarchy.no/brand.htm (edited to avoid the page to get search rating and more hits)

The real webiste of Brand is here :

http://www.anarkistisktidning.org/

I asked ANORG in the forums why would ABC copenhagen, AF, IFA and many other people lie about them ? What would the motivation be and so on, They never answered.

Here is Fagerhus homepage :

http://home.powertech.no/haraldfa/

and another webpage about fagerhus as a writer :

http://home.no.net/harfager/

I suggest you circulate this email around and see if anyone will take some initiative to deal with this situation, that has been going on for a decade. Though as I see it the only approach is to get a dialog going, and see what they say. and what happens. and then people can judge from that outcome.

Visit the portal I am making for scnadinavia, you can find alot of ANORGs messages there and in the forums.
the scandinavian site is in norwegian not in english, as its designed for users from denmark, norway and sweden.
I am making another identical portal for the english speaking world. my plan is to design a portal in many languages that are interlinked.

anyways

Peace and Unity
Madhatterz - www.3monkeyz.net ^___________________________________^

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Nov 9 2007 19:40
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I think his real name is Harald Fagerhus, judging from the email above. the email address above belongs to this domain http://www.hedning.no/ This is a Atheist group in norway that was very active in media and news a few years back. translated it means "Heathen.no" and is a organization for atheism and against religion.

The webmaster of this site is Harald fagerhus, however the registrated information on the heathen society belongs to a Halvor Jakobsen ( it might be L.jakobsen) he might also be an employee at http://www.powertech.no/ which is the webhost company that hosts all of ANORGS webpages and the heathen society.

(look below for information on heathen society domain) notice the email address there HalvorJ@powertech I suspect "J" might stand for Jakobsen, and that this person might have a middle name that begins with L ( L. Jakobsen, the name that was used when contacting me). So these names are not aliases as the website flag.blackened suggests.

Harald Fagerhus is a real person, and the Heathen Society is a real organization, although not very active these days. Halvor Jakobsen has probably nothing to do with ANORG. There is one more known member of ANORG, but his name isn't Jakobsen. They also use a whole list of other aliases when posting on the net.

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Harald Fagerhus is a real person, and the Heathen Society is a real organization, although not very active these days. Halvor Jakobsen has probably nothing to do with ANORG. There is one more known member of ANORG, but his name isn't Jakobsen. They also use a whole list of other aliases when posting on the net.

NO I had some contact with them and there is at least 2 people were dealing with, also there might be a third person, a danish one. I am pretty sure that there is someone in denmark connected to this group, unless fagerhus writes fluently danish which I doubt he does.

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Anarchy.no is a joke. Please stop posting jibberish.

I dont think you see the problem here, alot of people seeking information or seeks to become a anarchist comes in contact with ANORG. they are very active, and they write new updated articles constantly. After I openend the scandinavian site I got a pile of emails about anorg because of one link i had to the site. get a grip on your attitude dude, and read the situation.

This has been going on for over a decade. Not only that but if you try to contact anarchists in Scandinavia ANORG is the first to respond and in my case almost the only one to respond, with exception of ungdomshuset. If those pages ANORG had was in danish, norwegian and swedish it would further on give a stronger impression, luckily those webpages are poorly made.

the question is what action is neccesary, to find out that, someone needs to estsblish contact with them and find out what their agenda is, and why they try to take over sites like the brand newspaper.

I get a feeling of apathy here. A simple question is.. how many newsletters have you written or press releases which is sent to the press ? well it seems to me that ANORG sends quite alot of them. Not only that ANORG promoted my site by sending out a email to all people on their email list, and those days I got a large amount of traffic especially from denmark but also from norway.

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Nov 11 2007 10:53
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NO I had some contact with them and there is at least 2 people were dealing with, also there might be a third person, a danish one. I am pretty sure that there is someone in denmark connected to this group, unless fagerhus writes fluently danish which I doubt he does.

I suspect that most of the ANORG stuff is actually written by the other guy, and not Fagerhus. The other guy always seemed more of a proper nutter than Fagerhus, who actually is fairly amicable in person. Also, as you mention, the historical stuff Fagerhus has published in his own name is pretty decent, and much less nutty than the ANORG "press releases". I don't know what their Danish skills are, but if there is someone involved in Denmark, it's a bit odd that they don't have any contact address there, or even their own email address.

In any case, if you want to know more about these guys, why don't you contact some proper Norwegian anarchists. There are lots of people here who have known them since the 70's.

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Nov 11 2007 12:01

My favorite fake ANORG group is the ACOAAO:

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This is the official website of the Anarchist Confederation of the Oceans, Arctic, Antarctic and Outwards - a section of the Anarchist International (AI). The Confederation is a loose network of libertarians broadly defined related to the oceans and the most northern and southern areas of the planet Tellus (Earth) and outwards in space, and is historically mainly rooted back to the 1990s as an informal network of contacts among seafarer and other people living in these areas. Also astronauts etc. may participate, as the Confederation also covers outer space. More information is available via "contact ACOAAO" below.

(...)

When talking about the Outwards faction of the confederation it must be mentioned that we of course don't believe in small green men from Mars or similar, but organize spaceworkers and have a policy against pollution, militarism a.s.o in space outside the Earth. We also work on ways to deal with comets and other dangers from outer space that may hit the Earth, to secure the survival of mankind and humanity.

from anarchy.no/ocean.html

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Nov 11 2007 23:49

Felix: that's amazing. our mutual friend from Oslo tells me that ANORG wrote a press release slamming him as a trade union bureaucrat some years ago, do you have a copy of that one?

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Nov 12 2007 21:36

I'm afraid I don't have a copy of that one, ronan.

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Nov 13 2007 10:48
Felix Frost wrote:
My favorite fake ANORG group is the ACOAAO:
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This is the official website of the Anarchist Confederation of the Oceans, Arctic, Antarctic and Outwards - a section of the Anarchist International (AI). The Confederation is a loose network of libertarians broadly defined related to the oceans and the most northern and southern areas of the planet Tellus (Earth) and outwards in space, and is historically mainly rooted back to the 1990s as an informal network of contacts among seafarer and other people living in these areas. Also astronauts etc. may participate, as the Confederation also covers outer space. More information is available via "contact ACOAAO" below.

(...)

When talking about the Outwards faction of the confederation it must be mentioned that we of course don't believe in small green men from Mars or similar, but organize spaceworkers and have a policy against pollution, militarism a.s.o in space outside the Earth. We also work on ways to deal with comets and other dangers from outer space that may hit the Earth, to secure the survival of mankind and humanity.

from anarchy.no/ocean.html

That is amazing!

Someone should tell Dundee United so he can join.

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Nov 20 2007 13:12

Don't be nasty. I wouldn't say this is unimportant - this has plagued IAF-IFA's web presence for years only really solved by having a decent 'official' website.
It's good to have a bit more understanding what is going on and madhatterz portal idea seems like a good one if it manages to divert web searches away from the powertech server and anarchy[dot]no. Unfortunately, giving them the opportunity to post forum links might have the opposite effect!