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Things leftists say that you hate hearing all of the time

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Aug 4 2013 16:57
Things leftists say that you hate hearing all of the time

Yep, title says it all again.

To begin, the one I hate the most is, "Why don't the U.S. mind their own business; get out of other people's affairs, let them handle it themselves." This is said usually in the context of U.S. interventions. Its just completely ahistorical. I mean, imperialists intervening to help out other people (let alone working class people)? Whhhaaattt???

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Aug 4 2013 18:14

"We need a mix of socialism and capitalism!"

Pretty much anything that takes an apologetic approach towards capitalism.

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Aug 4 2013 18:26

mismatched language for the situation, everything has to 'fight' this, or 'smash' that, but mostly the actual activities will tend toward going on a march or handing out a leaflet.

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Aug 5 2013 01:03

Did you vote?

[no]

Why not?

[concise explanation of anti-electoralism in favour of working-class self-organization]

Well, if you didn't vote, you've got no business complaining then.

[wait, did you hear me?]

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Aug 4 2013 18:54

People who instead of engaging in intelligent debate just label anyone that doesn't 100% agree with them (even other left-wingers) a fascist.

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Aug 4 2013 18:59

And don't even get me started on people who think retweeting or liking something on facebook is going to cause a revolution. Worst case was the whole Kony 2012 campaign, as if an inhumane Warlord was going to log onto facebook and go shit Mike,18 from Surrey has just shared the Invisible Children video on his facebook and said 'You're a bad man Mr.Kony', I'm going to hand myself in.

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Aug 4 2013 19:14

Asking people to sign their partition, especially the ones where its actual a disguised mailing list

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Aug 4 2013 19:48
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Well, if you didn't vote, you've got no business complaining then.

This thread should end right there. There is nothing that anyone can say that comes anywhere close to being as homicide inducingly infuriating as that.
Vanilla politics. Yuk.

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Aug 4 2013 20:45

And something like "those bankers are speculating with our money!"

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Aug 4 2013 21:11

Corporate. Corpocracy. Corporate wars. Corporations have ruined the checks and balances in American democracy. Banks and corporations. Corporate candidate. These god damned corporations! If it wasn't for the corporations capitalism would be fine. C-O-R-P-O-R-A-T-I-O-N.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdAtGV6hVCk

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Aug 4 2013 21:14

"We need to reclaim our democracy! And our country back!"

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Aug 4 2013 21:20

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erTN58xt-jo

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Aug 4 2013 22:33

From some recent conversations:
"If it wasn't for state socialism, I wouldn't exist."
"But unions are the working class organising themselves".
"I see what you're saying but I just don't see how communism can happen without an inbetween stage organised by the state. But honestly, I think we're on the same side, aren't we?"
"hah, anarchism? I've never heard of any significant number of workers being anarchists."

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Aug 4 2013 23:37

Anything Micheal Moore says. Privilege theory terminology. Things about voting- why I should vote. "You really can't complain if you don't vote". Stuff about supporting the Democrats healthcare law in America. Anything about supporting democrats. People like Berny Sanders and Lawrence O'Donnell who call themselves "socialists". Anything they say is suspect. Those guys are suspicious. Gulags for them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxKd5lpZwLY

"Cis gender". I don't know why that term bothers me. Trigger warnings. My entire life needs a trigger warning. I'm not sure when communism became about creating a world where no ones feelings are hurt, where no one can be offended, where no one experiences any sort of discomfort at the hands of others. I've been assaulted before, over a decade ago, was in the hospital for two weeks. When people discuss assault/violence I don't need a trigger warning. This sounds insensitive I know. I've seen a person shot/murdered in front of me. Still don't need a trigger warning when murder is being discussed. Disgusting and traumatic as that was.

Slogans. Protest slogans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sum3GOkmDd0

The "peoples mic" at Occupy events. I need a trigger warning when people pull that so I can leave. I feel like reality is being trolled when the peoples mic is in action. Especially when Zizek was speaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdyMV1AKHGg

I suppose the worst case scenario would be Zizek giving a trigger warning on the peoples mic before a speech about corporations after which we all sing protest songs and chant slogans. I'm aware this post will be voted down. Sorry. I need to work on accepting "trigger warnings" I know.

Folk/bluegrass music. I went to see Howard Zinn speak yeas back and for whatever reason folk music was preformed on stage. Went as saw Chomsky as well, same thing. This is an American leftist phenomenon. Pete Seger type stuff. Banjo's and standing bass. Clapping at speaking events. Everyone claps all the time. Sometimes they feel like church sermons.

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Aug 4 2013 23:41

"Stop greedy CEOs!" "Fight corporatism!" "Corporations have taken over the country!" "Get money out of politics!""First Amendment First Amendment First Amendment First Amendment!"

Also the description of minuscule demonstrations as "pressuring" the government or whatever.

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Aug 4 2013 23:46

I feel like some sort of asshole.

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Aug 4 2013 23:54
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"Cis gender". I don't know why that term bothers me.

If you're not transgendered then you're cisgendered, ie. you identify with the gender assigned to you at birth. It's descriptive, not an insult.

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Aug 4 2013 23:52

Using the word Stalinist to as a synonym for badly behaved (I'm looking at you AWL).

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Aug 5 2013 00:40
wojtek wrote:
"Cis gender".... It's descriptive, not an insult.

I'm not entirely sure about that. 'Cis-' is not simply the opposite of trans but seems to be used to refer to anyone relatively 'straight acting' or someone who hasn't in some way deconstructed their sexuality. I'm queer as fuck but I find all the cis-male patter obscure, alienating, annoying and reeking of identity politics. And I fucking hate identity politics. Much the same goes for all the 'privilege' shite.

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Aug 5 2013 00:45
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"Cis gender". I don't know why that term bothers me.

What wojtek said. Also, transgender people tend to prefer that term because its intended as a replacement for "biological male/female" and "real man/woman."

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Trigger warnings. My entire life needs a trigger warning. I'm not sure when communism became about creating a world where no ones feelings are hurt, where no one can be offended, where no one experiences any sort of discomfort at the hands of others. I've been assaulted before, over a decade ago, was in the hospital for two weeks. When people discuss assault/violence I don't need a trigger warning. This sounds insensitive I know. I've seen a person shot/murdered in front of me. Still don't need a trigger warning when murder is being discussed. Disgusting and traumatic as that was.

Trigger warnings aren't there to prevent anyone from being hurt or offended. They're just that: warnings. Warnings for those people who might have a strong negative psychological reaction to the content that follows. While certainly trigger warnings can be overused and sometimes used in ways that don't make any sense, usually people only use them to be courteous and respectful of others who suffer from triggers. If you don't suffer from any psychological triggers, then the warnings don't apply to you. I mean, I've never been raped, but if I was going to link an article to a friend who happens to suffer from trauma triggers as a result of being raped, I'd make a trigger warning in a heartbeat.

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Aug 5 2013 01:16

Using the term "Crony Capitalism" in a way that implies it is different from capitalism.

Complaining about the "Plutocracy" or "Corporate Oligarchy" for the same reasons.

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Aug 5 2013 02:06

I'm aware "cisgender" isn't an insult. I'm not sure why the term bothers me. No need to explain the meaning or use of the term. I also know "trigger warning" is to keep people from reliving traumatic experiences but it's overused and in my opinion creates a culture of, well, coddling. It's becoming absurd. Example:

http://privilege101.tumblr.com/triggers.html

I mean. A trigger warning for discussing this: http://trypophobia.com/ Really? Snakes, spiders, vomit, discussions of consensual sex,...my favorite, slimy things! Discussions of "clasism"? Needles? Swearing? Yep.

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Aug 5 2013 02:27
bozemananarchy wrote:
Did you vote?

[no]

Why not?

[concise explanation of anti-electoralism in favour of working-class self-organization]

Well, if you didn't vote, you've got no business complaining then.

[wait, did you hear me?]

[no, you've no business complaining, you voted for those assholes, i on the other hand didn't even leave the house that day, so it's your fucking fault (george carlin style)]

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Aug 5 2013 02:49
Mike S. wrote:
I'm aware "cisgender" isn't an insult. I'm not sure why the term bothers me. No need to explain the meaning or use of the term. I also know "trigger warning" is to keep people from reliving traumatic experiences but it's overused and in my opinion creates a culture of, well, coddling. It's becoming absurd. Example:

http://privilege101.tumblr.com/triggers.html

I mean. A trigger warning for discussing this: http://trypophobia.com/ Really? Snakes, spiders, vomit, discussions of consensual sex,...my favorite, slimy things! Discussions of "clasism"? Needles? Swearing? Yep.

One time I saw a trigger warning for...get this...cartoon violence! O_O

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Aug 5 2013 03:04

cis isn't a new word, it just means, roughly, on one side, as opposed to trans on another side. As in Cisalpine Gaul and Transalpine Gaul, it's been around for a long time. It's also used in the sciences.
I'm not going to repeat myself, I said something about why I value trigger warnings in the comments field of this
http://libcom.org/blog/trigger-warnings-why-we-use-them-15012012
I don't think they're that important in print media, where you can scan down and see what it's about easily but when there are embedded links it's nice to get a heads-up about what's coming sometimes. There was a link I opened in a tweet during the bombing of Gaza last year which opened a picture of the bodies of four freshly killed little kids, I would have really appreciated a warning on that one.

Things that I hate? Probably more of a liberal thing but the misty-eyed nostalgia for a time and a place which didn't exist. I call it Kennedy-Trudeau-Wilsonville, it was sometime before they were born, or can remember but recent enough to have plenty of stock footage of it available for splicing into Michael Moore films. The politicians were honest and decent and worked tirelessly for the people. Hardworking *fill in nationality* did a fair's day's work for a fair's day's pay. There was no crime and everyone was happy. There were probably free kittens with every purchase. I'm not sure where this place was exactly but there seems to be a yearning amongst some people that if only we elected the right politicians, had the right business leaders and had the right laws, we can go back and live there.

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Aug 5 2013 06:25
Serge Forward wrote:
Much the same goes for all the 'privilege' shite.

I have never actually heard anybody go on about it, but I have seen more than enough of it in print. It does annoy me though.

Devrim

By the way, I just downed your post twice when I was trying to quote it as I am lying in bed typing on the phone, and things are little, sorry.

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Aug 5 2013 07:53
fleurnoire-et-rouge wrote:
cis isn't a new word, it just means, roughly, on one side, as opposed to trans on another side. As in Cisalpine Gaul and Transalpine Gaul, it's been around for a long time. It's also used in the sciences.

Geometric (cis/trans) isomerism scroll down for images describing it.

(trigger warning Party Pooper) wink
Funny thing is that many of the things mentioned are memes. A device used to strengthen the group and prove that you belong in it. The recent flurry of threads on libcom (such as this one) has a similar purpose. New (and old) posters can prove their belonging by slagging off other groups, repeating unfounded 'truths' and proving your in'ness. But inevitable particularly when our politics are a minority affair and tends to attract people with rather unusual psychological make up or difficult past.

Some of the things annoying people such as trigger warnings and some rather complicated concepts and rules to avoid offending someone are sound but tend to become means of proving oneself or shutting people out. Not very good for people (hopefully) trying to advance your politics and with the predictable result of overusing these devices out of insecurity and fear of doing the wrong thing.

This is imho a huge problem for libcom, lefty, autonomists as it is actually very difficult and requires a lot of knowledge to navigate all the rules. Saying the wrong thing is often met with quite harsh words. AFK the issue is slightly less problematic as personal interaction can help smoothen the ride but from the outside the specialist language and incredible complex rules look impossible to understand or master.

This post could belong in a number of recent threads but ended up here.

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Aug 5 2013 08:20

difficult to decide where to start ... "vote Labour/SPD/etc. but ..."

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Aug 5 2013 08:35

"Ken Livingstone is a socialist"

"Tony Benn is a soclialist"

"I'm voting for Sarah Teather because she's very good on Palestine"

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Aug 5 2013 08:38

Great thread!

"You need a movement in the streets because this is what gives politicians the power to make progressive change."

and the variant:

"You need radicals and reformers, the radicals to keep up the pressure and the reformers to keep things realistic and actually make demands of the establishment."

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Aug 5 2013 08:38

Also, rec'd this in my inbox yesterday:

"Campaign to keep the Labour/trade union link"