Simaiesocialism, Iranian Group?

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Leo
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Jan 28 2007 09:29
Simaiesocialism, Iranian Group?

I saw the link for this group in wikipedia, listed under left communism.

http://www.simaiesocialism.com/

Does anyone know anything about this group?

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Jan 29 2007 17:34

Hy Leo,

I can display it only into farsi...i dunno why

Leo
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Jan 29 2007 17:58

I think the website is only in farsi. I haven't been able to read a thing in their website.

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Feb 1 2007 00:38

I spoke to an Iranian comrade who knows them. According to him, they are based in Sweden and are the same people who do the Against Wage-Labour website/newsletters (www.againstwage.com). They are a split from the Worker Communists, they like Luxembourg and Bordiga, but reject the party form.

Against Wage-Labour has a group here in Norway too. I might go to a meeting with one of them on Monday.

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Feb 1 2007 16:42

thanks 4 the information

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Feb 1 2007 18:48

They like Luxembourg and Bordiga, but reject the party form !

He He theres hope for lots of us Anarcho - folk, come to sydicates brothers and see the beauty !

hugs hugs to the massive !

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Feb 3 2007 22:36

Hmm, well that's interesting, I was pretty sure I saw pictures they took in Iran. Possibly they have a small group in Iran too?

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Feb 3 2007 22:39
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Against Wage-Labour has a group here in Norway too. I might go to a meeting with one of them on Monday.

Hey, if you go to that meeting, I would really appreciate it if you asked them what they thought about national liberation and trade unions - thanks!

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Feb 4 2007 07:49

They are definitly against trade unions. As far as I can tell, they are consistent internationalists, and don't have any illusions in nationalism/anti-imperialism.

There seem to be at least one activist from Iran involved. This is Mohsen Hakimi, who was recently (re-)sentenced to two years in prison for trying to organize a May Day rally in the city of Saqez in 2004. (You can read an interview with him here )

From againstwage.com:

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We oppose the building of any kind of group, party, or organization outside of the realm of the current working class struggle. We see party-building outside of the realm of the working class struggle as a manifestation of other movements which heads in the direction of dominating the workers movement and dismissing it from its real track of anti-wage labour. There is a need to reject syndicalism and sectarianism, and believe in the struggle to form an anti-capitalist organization for abolishing wage-labor. Similarly we reject unionism which separates the economic from the political. Unions are economic apparatuses of the state which negate any class struggle as they negotiate and bargain with the bourgeoisie.

Expressions such as ‘inside and outside of a particular geographical jurisdiction’ with respect to a workers movement is nonsense. We recognize ourselves as members of the working class and its movement of whatever place, be it country, city, region, where we live. We actively participate in the current working class struggle by having a communist presence in this movement to mobilize the anti-capitalist movement of the working class and uniting the anti-wage-labour activists. For example there is a workers movement in Iran, and we identify ourselves as a united body with the worker-activists in Iran who are striving to form an anti-capitalist organization across the country and we try to bring the international anti-capitalist solidarity to them.

Leo
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Feb 4 2007 09:04

Seems really positive, thank you very much... I will write to them.

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Feb 4 2007 10:22
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We oppose the building of any kind of group, party, or organization outside of the realm of the current working class struggle. We see party-building outside of the realm of the working class struggle as a manifestation of other movements which heads in the direction of dominating the workers movement and dismissing it from its real track of anti-wage labour.

From what I read, I cannot understand if they really reject the party form altogether. I could agree with what I read here, even if I'm for an international working class party. I'm not for so-called proletarian parties which don't have their roots in the working class and its struggles.

Probably, Felix, you could say more. But, yes, very interesting and positive. Thanks!

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Feb 4 2007 11:46

I think that their remark makes it clear that this group is for a future international working class party if it is built in the realm of the ongoing working class struggle but they are not for so-called proletarian parties which don't have their roots in the working class and its struggles.

I wrote to them, I am really looking forward to their reply...

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Feb 5 2007 17:04

Leo,

Get us known about their reply.

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Feb 5 2007 21:16

This looks interesting especially about the bit concerning the fellow from Sarquez. I am interested in their prior relationship with the WCP either Hekmatist or otherwise. I'd also like to find out more about the anarchist communists from Iran in the US and Canada. They only publish in farsi though sad

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Feb 5 2007 21:37

booeyschewy,
I have never actually heard of anarchist communists in Iran. Thıugh I am not saying that they don't exist. Most of the groups seem to be a Marxist tradition. I would imagine although I don't speak Farsi either, and haven't been to Iran for over ten years, that a lot of them come from SUCM originally. I am also not sure as to what extent they are active in Iran, or they are 'exile groups'.
Devrim

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Leo Uilleann wrote:
I think that their remark makes it clear that this group is for a future international working class party if it is built in the realm of the ongoing working class struggle but they are not for so-called proletarian parties which don't have their roots in the working class and its struggles.

I wrote to them, I am really looking forward to their reply...

I think they are more councilist, but I'll let them answer for themselves.

There is an online petition against the government persecution of Mohsen Hakimi and his co-defendants at http://ocap.ca/iranpetition (They are still out on bail, awaiting another apeals hearing.)

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Feb 6 2007 18:32

Here's what they wrote about "Bolshevism", not so sure if they are councilists. http://againstwage.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=61&Item...

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Feb 6 2007 23:17

http://www.uuiraq.org/ Not Iranian but Iraqi

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Feb 7 2007 16:57

The above link is from the leninist group worker communist party of iraq (tied to a similar iranian group).

About anarchist communists- There are some underground in Iran, but there are some in Canada and the US who publish farsi publications. NEFAC interviewed one a while ago.

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Feb 7 2007 18:38

We got a reply from Simaiesocialism, saying that they agree with our principles, they value international relationships, they want to exchange information about class struggles and lastly, of course, they want to discuss more with us. I will reply to them soon, I have a good feeling about this.

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Feb 8 2007 03:25
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About anarchist communists- There are some underground in Iran, but there are some in Canada and the US who publish farsi publications. NEFAC interviewed one a while ago.

Ermmm interesting will have to check out the NEFAC interview ..

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Feb 9 2007 05:32

I got more info from a kurdish friend. He said the Simaiesocialism site seems to be the stalinist CPUM (?) party, and that the writers on the site at the least were CP. The Against Wage Labour group is different, and he said that the Iranian folks there are solid.

Here's the NEFAC interview
http://www.nefac.net/node/1731

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Feb 9 2007 15:46

Hmm... Well, link to their site was listed under left communism on wikipedia, they have writings of Rosa Luxemburg in their site and they give links to Against Wage Labour group and they too seem to be petitioning for the same militants. Anyway, we got another reply from Against Wage Labour group, I will ask them about Simaiesocialism.

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Feb 10 2007 09:04

Okay, now I am sure that those groups are related. From their magazine:

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English website:

www.againstwage.com

Norwegian website:

www.mla.no

Persian websites:

www.simaiesocialism.com

By visiting our websites in 3 different languages, you have possibility to contact our comrades in different locations. Help us to get better. By contacting us and sending us articles and news, we can inform the working masses about the situation of working masses of other locations. Please feel free to circulate this publication among workers and tell them about our web sites.

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Feb 10 2007 20:28

Interesting, I'll mention that to my friend.

thanks!

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Feb 23 2007 02:25

Leo you all also might want to try contacting Peyke anternasionalisti.

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Mar 5 2007 16:18

here's another link that might be of interest:

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On “Coordinating Committee to Form Workers Organization”

The ‘Coordinating Committee to Form Workers Organization’ is not a workers
organization. This committee is an organized group of worker-activists struggling to meet
the following aims:

1.To pave the way for forming a culture and a spiritual willingness for workers to be
organized in a variety of ways such as propaganda and agitation, to help with the
spreading of trade, cultural, artistic and sport organizations of workers, to support the
actions and struggles of workers such as strikes, workers control and etc.

2. To help with the forming of workers’ organizations in production and service centres
in order to connect and coordinate their activities through the transfer of their experiences
and achievements to each other.

3. To provide the grounds in which the underground activity of worker-activists can be
transformed to an open form of activity for mobilizing worker-masses into an allembracing
workers organization in different ways including the provision of conditions
for the presence of the influential and well-trusted worker-activists in the open domain of
class struggle.

4. To call on the founding body of the all-embracing workers organization of Iran to
provide a public assembly, approve the fundamental documents and elect the organizing
bodies. By forming this founding body, the ‘Coordinating Committee to Form Workers
Organization’ will be dissolved.
The ‘Coordinating Committee to Form Workers Organization’, in line with its
fundamental principle in defense of freedom of forming any kind of workers
organization, welcomes any independent workers organization to be built - this is the
inalienable right of workers. However, the kind of organization for which the
Coordinating Committee is struggling is an anti-capitalist organization which is formed
with the workers own power without any permission from the government. This
organization also includes the vast majority of worker-masses, and while participating
actively and consistently in the daily workers struggle to obtain this or that workers
demand, goes beyond the acceptance of capitalism and combats to abolish all misery in
the present human lives: poverty, starvation, unemployment, lack of rights, sex work,
addiction, corruption, discrimination and etc.

Undoubtedly, the best structure for this kind of organization is a council structure. But
the ‘Coordinating Committee’ does not restrict anti-capitalist organization to council
organization. We believe that other forms such as committees, societies and workers
syndicates are also able to be anti-capitalist. Thus, and in order to spread the front of
working class struggle against capitalism, the ‘Coordinating Committee’ knows itself as
a vehicle for all activists who are struggling in different forms to build anti-capitalist
working class organizations.

Coordinating Committee to Form Workers Organization
23/6/2005

www.komiteyehamahangi.com
komiteye_hamahangi@yahoo.com

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Mar 6 2007 18:56

That group actually seems to be pretty close to syndicalist ideas...

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Mar 21 2007 23:45

Guys,
I understand your enthusiasm about finding some new "co-thinker" here and there. But believe me what I say (as a native Farsi language reader) These people (Simaye Socialism 'Socialism's image') dont know themeselve what they are wink As one who has read their literature in Farsi, I can just tell you this: They are MUCH more closer to Burdigist-Leninist tendency than what they really give the image for.
If anyone wishes to know more about this little SECT, one has a chance to read in English their stuff in www.againstwage.com, -just to see for him/herself how national-Bolshevist are they!

What they critisize about the parties, it not party as such (as a group of people who see themselves as the vanguards of the class to enlighten/organize the rest of "backward" member of the class), but the existing parties (Maoist, Leninist-reformist, etc).

Anyhow, they have some "critic" of Lenin, but NEVER broke with Leninism. Never rejected totally the party, and always have attributed some special ”task” to the so called ”Worker Vanguards” –not to mention their nationalism. In one word, they are Vanguardist, just like other Leninists, but in a reformed form.

Has anyone ever seen them engaging in ANY class conflict anywhere in the world except iran, and even that by word and from exile?

After all, as they say, one can not be half pregnent. But they can in an ocean of the reformist half pregnent Iranian left who, as they themself, dont even know what is the difference between Unionism and Syndicalism!

Nader

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Mar 23 2007 13:51
Nader wrote:
just to see for him/herself how national-Bolshevist are they!
not to mention their nationalism...

I am interested in the allegations of nationalism. We have had some correspondence with this group (I have only looked through it briefly).
I haven't seen any sign of nationalism.

Devrim

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May 2 2016 10:36

They seem quite opposed to nationalism to me.

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[Anti-capitalism] does not transform communism as a holy idea due to the dissolving of the working class into democracy or unionism or nationalism/anti-imperialism.

I was the one responsible for corresponding with them, I haven't seen any sign of nationalism in their writings. In fact they said that they were in full agreement with our principles, including the rejection of all kinds of nationalism and national liberation.

I know that they are engaged in class struggle in Canada and Norway.

They are less supportive of the idea of the future "party" than we are, that's what we are talking about with them right now. Of course an actual proletarian "party" will have nothing to do with leading the working class or anything but that is not the case here.

In their last message they said:

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Marx dismantled the idea that communists brought ideas into the workers' movement from without. That is, the working class consciousness would develop on the basis of experience made necessary by life itself, and that is what Marx affirmed throughout his life as a Practical Materialist not only as a pure theoretician that "the emancipation of the working class would be the act of the workers themselves." This exactly is opposite of Lenin's approach regarding the working class movement where Lenin stated that (...) 'the history of countries shows that the working class exclusively by its own effort, is able to develop only trade union consciousness,''(What is to be done?) and that a socialist consciousness could only be brought to the workers "from without", by Marxist intellectuals. The reason that I brought this discussion up is that the working class (as you mentioned before) naturally are anti-capitalist. It is because of the constant war between capital and labour. And we as communists do not need to create a sect along with other sects rather be involved in this struggle for the daily and current working class demands and at same time to continue and promote this struggle to abolish wage-labor which is the base and foundation of capitalism.