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Nov 25 2013 05:30
Antianimalmassholocaustanarchist12 wrote:
Although I thought recently it may have been totalitarian feudalism in the later days of Stalins murderous reign, a bit like the west now, perhaps will slowly disintegrate, I reckon it's come full circle like the Soviet Union; socialist briefly with Attlee, then capitalist, now feudal.

This is all completely nonsensical. There was nothing socialist about Attlee's government; obviously, private property and wage-labor were not abolished and production on the basis of from each according to their ability, to each according to their need did not come into existence. While there were significant movements toward socialism in 1917 by the Russian proletariat, these were incomplete and reversed by the Bolsheviks after their election to the Council of People's Commissars. In neither the Soviet Union nor in modern society was/is there any return to feudalism; production is carried out by a mobile proletariat that is coerced into selling its labor-power to capitalist, not by peasants bound to a lord's land operating in small (primarily familiar) units. For a clearer understanding of the transition from feudalism to capitalism, which has in no way been reversed, I recommend Karl Polanyi's The Great Transformation.

"Middle class" is a term best avoided in discussions like this, I think, since it refers to a vague cultural construct rather than to specific position in relation to the means of production in the way that proletariat/working class and bourgeoisie/ruling class do.

This would all be much more constructive if you familiarized yourself with the meaning behind the terms you're using, because your very strange language is rendering much of your posts incoherent.

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Nov 25 2013 08:41

Does Antianimalmas's key never fucking wind down? I don't think I can take anymore.

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Nov 25 2013 08:52

That's very democratic and of you, even with a fascist. There's a photo of him by an England flag and on the England flag is BNP and two swastika and a Bangladeshi friend asked if he was a nazi and he said yes. Didn't I put how he was friends with and bullied the EDL member, or did I forget? What exactly have you edited, was it just his name?

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Nov 25 2013 08:54

I meant to say and egalitarian.

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Nov 25 2013 08:57

Admin is it alreet if I photograph the photo with my phone and upload it? It won't show his name obviously.

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Nov 25 2013 09:15

I think the answer to that is probably no, Anti. If the took it down once, they probably don't want it up again.

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Nov 25 2013 09:17

I thought the problem was showing the name? Or is admin worried the cunt will see his photo? Too risky?

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Nov 25 2013 09:33

Actually the friends thing and bullying was a message to webby (don't worry I didn't put his name or the link to the photo.)

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Nov 25 2013 10:09

This is all nonsense right? The day after the Manchester Anarchist Bookfair?

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I certainly wouldn't for example friend a slaughterhouse worker

oh dear me.

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Nov 25 2013 11:15

I understand totally the anarchist critique of the animal rights "movement", everything more a less you say is true. Here's a link: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr7Ax_p7ocw

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Nov 25 2013 11:28

I've just asked the EDl goon if he's a nazi or facist, if he says no it may be a lie (as expected), but you never know, see what he says...

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Nov 25 2013 11:59
Antianimalmassholocaustanarchist12 wrote:
I understand totally the anarchist critique of the animal rights "movement", everything more a less you say is true. Here's a link: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr7Ax_p7ocw

Everything I said is true?

I would rather eat a bacon sandwich than watch that.

But on a serious note, I spent the Saturday with people from Manchester Afed and they are good people and I understand why they wouldn't want to deal with someone who has EDL friends.

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Nov 25 2013 12:33

I'm anti-EDL, but I've know him for 10-15 years.

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Nov 25 2013 12:39

I'm thinking of borrowing sometime (possibly later) http://librariesonline.stoke.gov.uk/vs/FullBB.csp?WebAction=ShowFullBB&E...

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Nov 25 2013 20:25

Hats off to Manchester AFed.

This is a slow motion train crash.

Anti - you need to speak to some mental health professionals and probably stay away from politics till you sort yourself out mate.

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Nov 25 2013 22:36

Talking about mental health professionals, a lot of them are really no use whatsoever. I went through a period of depression and the NHS was unhelpful in the extreme. I was lucky enough to be able to afford to pay for private therapy, which did help a lot. "Person-centered therapy". There was no Freudian mumbo jumbo, just an attempt to uncover what was getting me down, allow me to express my emotions and work through things both logically and emotionally.

Of course, there is depression and there is depression. My depression had material causes. Other depression may have biological causes. But I found this person-centred therapy very good for depression caused by the facts of my life conditions.

Keeping a lid on drug use is also a very good idea. I have personally found that alcohol and benzodiazepenes (valium/diazepam and related chemicals) are the worst of the lot of for causing irrational and dangerous behaviour, but none of them are good in excess.

edit: I say this because these rapid-fire, uncoordinated tangential posts are very similar to posts that people make when they're chemically altered in some way. But of course drugs might not be what's going on here.

another edit: just to be clear, I draw from experience that I have gained from my own role as a moderator on a drugs harm reduction forum. I had issues with drugs during my depression. I'm no longer in that particular bad place. But I interact with people in various states of drug-induced disarray on a daily basis through this voluntary role.

Anti: Please feel free to message me if any of this might ring a bell with you.

One final edit (and no I'm not in a state of drug-induced disarray grin just normal disarray) - plasmatelly, you say "stay away from politics till you sort yourself out". This really is not all that great advice. One of the main reasons I am a happier and more together person now than I was a year ago is that I have gone through a process of getting my politics in order. It's true that practical organising is best done while we're in good mental health, but it can be beneficial to get your thinking straight and I think it would be a bad thing to discourage people from discussing things just because they're a bit scatty.

OK I am really finished now wink

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Nov 26 2013 12:23

Thank you Pikel, I found plasmatelly (I've just realised is plasma telly) to be condescending, what you said was extremely kind and helpful, thank you very much. I'm in touch with 2 Laingian psychologists, the second one as me doesn't think mental illness exists, the former has offered to help me via Skype. I may take up your offer sometime. I'm also practically insomniac. My other problems are social anxiety, depression and anxiety.

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Nov 26 2013 19:29

I borrowed the book: http://librariesonline.stoke.gov.uk/vs/FullBB.csp?WebAction=ShowFullBB&E...

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Nov 26 2013 19:45

The EDL guy said he's an English patriot after I asked him if he's fascist or nazi.

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Nov 26 2013 21:26

Yeah, 'English patriot' or 'English nationalist'... that's what English fascists tend to call themselves these days since using the more appropriate term 'fascist' can put a bit of a dampener on friendships and fucks up your social and family life.

Although to be fair, 'fascist' is all a bit too fancy for your average EDLer who generally doesn't have the wherewithal to be anything more than an ignorant, resentful, hate-raddled and deluded muppet with no redeeming features.

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Nov 26 2013 21:42

Muppets? Communist.

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Nov 26 2013 21:51
Pikel wrote:
Muppets? Communist.

???

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Nov 26 2013 22:12
AES wrote:
???

Serge Forward wrote:
Although to be fair, 'fascist' is all a bit too fancy for your average EDLer who generally doesn't have the wherewithal to be anything more than an ignorant, resentful, hate-raddled and deluded muppet with no redeeming features.

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Nov 26 2013 22:14

I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not a member of Afed, but I would have been less patient, having read through the obsessive compulsive posts by "Anti" who can't be bothered to hold a thought long enough to even consider many of the responses. Some of us actually have solidarity work that we do rather than thinking out loud on the internet, and have better things to do than get fucked about by endless pointless posts. Get some help. If you're really interested in others also and not just yourself, and views put out by libcom about the world IRL then read the guides and take some time to think about real discussions.

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Nov 26 2013 22:21

I don't care if he's known the person for ten or twelve years or even if it's his brother that's in the EDL - there's no channel of communication between racists and us

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Nov 26 2013 22:33

Have a heart, for fucks sake.

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Nov 26 2013 22:39

No. That's my view - there is no bridge between us and racism. If he's got any credibility, he'll tell his pal this is not something he is willing to tolerate - a connection with a racist organisation.

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Nov 26 2013 22:43
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No. That's my view - there is no bridge between us and racism. If he's got any credibility, he'll tell his pal this is not something he is willing to tolerate - a connection with a racist organisation.

Yeah you're right but surely there has to be a phase where Anti gets this worked out and then does something about it. In order for that to happen surely we (and by we I just mean libcoms, not specifically Manchester AFed or me or anyone in particular!) need to engage in some way? But you're right there is plenty of reading that he can be doing.

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Nov 26 2013 22:44

If he wants to keep in touch with racists - he can fuck off until he stops sitting on the fence

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Nov 26 2013 22:50
Antianimalmassholocaustanarchist12 wrote:
I mean ethically and in terms of dysfunction and psychic totalitarianism.

Good to see someone else is taking the threat from this man seriously

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