London, is it all that?

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Feb 26 2017 19:30
London, is it all that?

I've barely been, is it worth moving to? If not, what's the best place in the UK? tongue

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Feb 26 2017 19:44

That London used to be brilliant but these days it's far too expensive to live in unless you're a bourgie bugger. The best bits have been wrecked by evil hipster scum as well.

Sheffield is sound. Leicester's okay. Glasgow's good, as long as you give the sectarian cunts a swerve. Bristol seems alright, even if it is down South.

Best place to live? Anywhere but fucking Chorley grin

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Feb 26 2017 19:49

I loved living there but renting is a nightmare and too expensive unless you earn good money.
It depends on if you're happy with a room in a house share for a big chunk of your salary.

You could try one of the many dormitory towns. You can rent a two bedroom house for the price of a room in London. Or go to Gateshead and you can rent a whole street smile

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Feb 26 2017 20:04

London is the dog's bollocks. My family have been here for 200 years, there must have been a good reason.

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Feb 26 2017 20:55

So no chance saving then? Lol

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Feb 26 2017 21:39

Forget it. Back in the day, you squatted. That's much harder to do these days. Now it's more likely you'll be stumping up £800 quid for a cupboard in a former council flat that's now massively overcrowded with partition rooms and zero communal/socialising space (unless you count the shared bathroom and kitchenette). Fucked if I know how anyone on minimum wage gets by.

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Feb 26 2017 21:42

Yeah, I grew up in London, it's where I live now and I still love it but it's a tough city and there are days where you just feel like the whole city is conspiring to fuck you over and before you realise it you've spent a tenner just coz you took the tube and bought a sandwich! I sometimes wonder whether I'd still live here if I wasn't from here or if I'll even live here forever..

That said, if you're up for a bit of struggle, can cope with long journeys on public transport and stay vigilant about how the city can rob you (peak-time travel), it's one of the best cities there is (though was better when I was a young'un!)..

I suppose it's prob more useful tho to ask what you want from London. How come you're thinking of moving?

In terms of other places on the UK: I could probably live in Bristol and Glasgow, and Manchester too (if it wasn't always fucking raining!). And, yeah, heard good things about Sheffield. Lived in Brighton when I was at uni but couldn't live there again as it feels like Katy Perry's Pinterest page..

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Feb 26 2017 22:45

I loved London when I lived there, missed it to bits when I left, wild horses wouldn't drag me back now. I think my last visit killed my nostalgia, everything is so goddamned expensive and I swear to god I was breathing in a fine mist of dirt. I guess if you're OK with spending all your money on housing and transport as a trade off for the benefits of living in London - and there are many benefits - but as a quality of life thing, I wouldn't rate it anymore.

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Feb 26 2017 22:59
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The best bits have been wrecked by evil hipster scum as well.

sorry, but this is completely stupid. "Hipsters" aren't even a thing any more. I did write a blog once about this after seeing a ridiculous Class War sticker with "hipsters fuck off" on it, but I didn't bother to post in the end because it was too pointless.

Anyway, unfortunately yeah London was pretty awesome 10 years ago. Now I would say it's only good if you earn really good money. And then it's still not that great, because so much stuff has shut down (half of all music venues in London have shut in the past eight years I think for example). There are loads of good restaurants though. But again to enjoy these you need money.

That said, couldn't really face living anywhere else in the UK, because compared to here everywhere is tiny and there's nothing to do. So if not here I'd go to another country.

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Feb 26 2017 23:12
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"Hipsters" aren't even a thing any more.

Well whatever the buggers are called now, those that are all over Shoreditch like a rash. Apologies for sounding all Class War-ish by the way.

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Feb 27 2017 08:39

If you want to find a job quick and take part in a modest, but fairly roots working class newspaper collective, come to Greenford - you can even pretend to still be in London! It's the place to be if you don't mind ugly suburb streets, high levels of Heathrow kerosin in the air and Polish beer cans floating around your feet...

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Feb 27 2017 10:51
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"Hipsters" aren't even a thing any more.

Well whatever the buggers are called now, those that are all over Shoreditch like a rash. Apologies for sounding all Class War-ish by the way.

ha ha, no worries. There was a genuine "hipster" subculture about a decade ago, but basically the press just use it synonymously for "young people", normally young people who go or have been to university. And now people mostly just use it to mean "yuppie". For the past eight years Shoreditch has mostly just been full of "lads" and "lasses" out on the piss. Anyway sorry the misuse of that term, especially by anarchists, is a pet peeve of mine!

For the unpublished article I also made a graph of property price increases, to show they rocketed everywhere, completely unrelated to were "hipsters" were…

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Feb 27 2017 11:37

I lived for several years in London in the later part of the 1970s. The majority of people in London (I understand) are not London born, which leads me to suspect that for many folk London is a place to find refuge or to escape. For me it was both. I lived in Chiswick, Hendon Central, Stamford Hill and Crouch Hill. All proved very different places in terms of accommodation and environment. It is a patchwork rather than a homogenous entity. Similar to Glasgow living north or south of the river was an important distinction for the locals. I had a girlfriend who told me she’d thought anyone north of the river was a toff or a tourist.

London has energy and its only constant is change, both good and bad depending on your point of view. When I first got to know it in the 1960s it was possible to walk up Charing Cross Road and still find for sale boxes of 78s outside on the pavement. Dobell’s and Collets were record shops where it was possible to find legendary musicians blethering with the shop staff.

By the mid-seventies, in my bedsit with headphones on, I’d listen to John Peel or Charlie Gillett spin old and new 45s. One Saturday afternoon after visiting Cheapo Records in Rupert Street, I entered a little Italian café and sat down on the only vacant seat. Across the red plastic table top sat a young couple playing with their coffee. The Italian lass quickly took my order, and avoiding looking directly at the couple opposite, I started reading my book. It was impossible not to be irritated and entertained when Nancy began squeezing Sid’s blackheads (for it was them). Several minutes later they left and the lass returned with my order saying nothing, just rolling her eyes.

So that’s the way I feel about London – irritated and entertained. Chances are if you look hard enough you’ll find what you’re looking for, assuming you can afford it. In the end I just got very tired of living out of a suitcase so left the glitter and the grot.

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Feb 27 2017 14:14

Not much to add. London's great but it's expensive as shit. For you Woj, TEFL jobs are fairly easy to come by, but the pay really isn't enough for how expensive it is to live in the city.

As for other parts of the UK, Scotland in general just seems awesome, Bristol's really nice, and I've enjoyed it when I visited Manchester and Liverpool as well.

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Feb 27 2017 16:33

I lived in London from my late teens to early twenties back in the 80s. I enjoyed it at the time, but whenever I go back I find it quite depressing. It's probably due in part to the weather, and in part how it feels so tired, and old, and run-down.

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Feb 27 2017 18:24

London is civilisation. Outside of the M25 is nightmarish, post-apocalyptic hellscape.

As for paying the rent, these guys had the right idea:

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Feb 27 2017 22:50

London was literally amazing when I lived there 1999-2004.

Birmingham is pretty cool now. I don't really know any other cities. Newcastle seems nice but I've only been through it on the train. Swansea is nice I think.

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Feb 27 2017 23:09
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London is civilisation. Outside of the M25 is nightmarish, post-apocalyptic hellscape.

Only the south. I think the north is ok. The south is just like a little piece of hell (Norwich is ok) and honestly I think London is going the same way.

I feel like I'm telling you all my "good place" secrets. Or sat at a dinner party talking about housing and schools.

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Feb 28 2017 14:35

Thanks for the offer AWW, but doing that kind of work for the nth time is shit for my self-esteem and a step backwards. I may not have a choice in the matter and the lines/machines may be cackling, waiting for me as we speak, but still.

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Feb 28 2017 17:20

Just a thought inspired by my afternoon's listening, I couldn't imagine the Clash song London Calling being written now and I think that's telling.

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Feb 28 2017 22:48

I've always lived on the outskirts of London, just south of Heathrow, but my girlfriend lives in a guardianship property in central London, so I've been de facto living there for about six months. Guardianship properties tend to be non-residential properties (my partner is in an old office block), usually in shit condition, that companies place 'guardians' in (more about them here and here), with the occupants having very few rights. Rent is a little bit lower than you might pay for a rented place, but not low enough that you could live comfortably with anything less than a decent income.

As a city, I like it, although I haven't had much to compare it to. Lots of good music to see for cheap or free, if you keep your eye out. Sneak a bottle of something strong in with you if you want a drink though, even a lot of small venues are charging upwards of £4.50 for a pint of anything worth drinking. As Steven has pointed out, though, many venues are closing down.

Other than that, I'd have to agree with what most posters above have said.

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Mar 3 2017 18:37

Wojtek, what you want is to move to the remotest part of Exmoor you can find and not see another person from one week to the next.

Edit: Sorry, that's actually what I want. As for you, I've no idea, so long as you don't invade my spot on Exmoor - nothing personal, it's not that I don't like people, it's just that I seem to feel better when they're not around.

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Mar 4 2017 00:06
Steven. wrote:
Serge Forward wrote:
The best bits have been wrecked by evil hipster scum as well.

sorry, but this is completely stupid. "Hipsters" aren't even a thing any more. I did write a blog once about this after seeing a ridiculous Class War sticker with "hipsters fuck off" on it, but I didn't bother to post in the end because it was too pointless.

Verily Steven, thou protesteth too much. Go on, admit it, you're hipster as fuck. I'm imagining you in the Libcom loft sitting there smirking like an anarcho Jonathon Yeah?. Am I wrong?

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Mar 4 2017 09:08
Noah Fence wrote:
Steven. wrote:
Serge Forward wrote:
The best bits have been wrecked by evil hipster scum as well.

sorry, but this is completely stupid. "Hipsters" aren't even a thing any more. I did write a blog once about this after seeing a ridiculous Class War sticker with "hipsters fuck off" on it, but I didn't bother to post in the end because it was too pointless.

Verily Steven, thou protesteth too much. Go on, admit it, you're hipster as fuck. I'm imagining you in the Libcom loft sitting there smirking like an anarcho Jonathon Yeah?. Am I wrong?

This is basically 100% accurate..

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Mar 5 2017 02:17

I like London but I can't imagine living there really, as it is so fucking expensive to rent and to exist there. I like visiting London but at the same time it is busy as fuck and I sometimes find that, and the underground system quite frustrating. Having said that, I've had some good times there. It's not a place I can envision me ever living though, and I think a part of that is hearing about all the evictions over recent years putting me off but as I say there is no way I could afford it anyway at the moment.

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Mar 5 2017 09:20
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the underground system quite frustrating.

Man, you should try New York....

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Mar 5 2017 10:51

How does Lundun compare to Ma'hrid or Barthelona?

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Mar 5 2017 10:55

It's better but at the same time infinitely more depressing.. wink

But yeah, anywhere in Spain would be pretty good to live in.. got a couple of mates who moved out there (to various bits) and they're not coming back for the rainy summers and student loan repayments..

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Mar 5 2017 14:25
Ed wrote:
Noah Fence wrote:
Verily Steven, thou protesteth too much. Go on, admit it, you're hipster as fuck. I'm imagining you in the Libcom loft sitting there smirking like an anarcho Jonathon Yeah?. Am I wrong?

This is basically 100% accurate..

this is pretty much it. I even had the full stop added by deed poll.

Although like Yeah? I was a hipster years ago, and just dress the same now. Whereas people who are actually hip now dress like this:

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Mar 5 2017 15:10
Chilli Sauce wrote:
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the underground system quite frustrating.

Man, you should try New York....

works fine for me

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Mar 5 2017 15:12
Steven. wrote:
Ed wrote:
Noah Fence wrote:
Verily Steven, thou protesteth too much. Go on, admit it, you're hipster as fuck. I'm imagining you in the Libcom loft sitting there smirking like an anarcho Jonathon Yeah?. Am I wrong?

This is basically 100% accurate..

this is pretty much it. I even had the full stop added by deed poll.

do you still have justin bieber hair?