A Heartfelt Seasons Greetings from a Long Gone Comrade Who Sincerely Wishes You All Well

If that's not what you meant, fair enough, but this does read as if you're "so at odds" with the pro-meat folks on libcom as to respond to them in the same way you intend to respond to fascists:

And even if that's not what you meant, it does seem pretty grandstandy to bring up fascists as if they're somehow relevant to this conversation.

Anyway, I sort of feel like you ignored the rest of my post and while I think there's a bit of you sort of responding to arguments that others on this thread haven't actually made, the arguments I made in my post aren't addressed by talking about protein or B12 or taste.

So what the fuck did you mean then? You made the analogy, make some sense of it. It sounds like the usual airheaded claptrap which comes out of the fuckwits at PETA, comparing farming to rape.
And nice one, coming from you, a wannabe bootboy who is always fantasizing about people "having the shit kicked out of them."

And fwiw, chickens are not my comrades. I'm very picky about my friends and comrades and a lot of people don't make that cut.

Lol webby it wasn't even me who said you had 'weird tastes in food', I did say that it would be considerably harder for me to gain weight if I could only eat veg, but it wasn't me either who made any arguments about vegan diets being inadequate/not providing you with all needed nutrition, I know it can be done.

Sorry mate, I obviously meant RG. I did actually offer props to you at the beginning of my post.

no probs, I get that now, but it confused me a bit lol

i#'m not seeing a response to me, did you imagin something that was easer to respond to perhaps?

I've edited your name in and no, I didn't see anything easier to respond to - there is nothing on this planet easier to respond to on this earth when it comes to this topic you daft bastard!

Chilli - I realise I was an antagonist twat in my first two posts on this thread. I tried sincerely after that but I now, once again realise that I'm an idiot for getting involved here. Complete waste of time. So I'm not going to bother answering your questions or posting on this thread anymore and spend time fending off a highly skilled bully or a cringemakingly inept one.

Bully. Lol. Pot. Kettle. Black.
You've been verbally abusive, antagonistic, spoiling for a fight and behaving like a persecuted victim when someone responds to it. Par for the course for the last year, where you have behaved like an utter ass. You have to be especially clueless, or antagonistic, to make allusions to fascists and child rapists and not expect a response.
And you can go to hell Webby. You thought it was totally OK to disclose personal email correspondence to make a point in a thread, where you were having another temper tantrum. I wouldn't trust you to water a plant. You're great at talking the talk, shouting your 2 cents worth on the trigger warning thread, where it doesn't cross your mind to put one on the torture porn you like to post.
UV isn't the only poster who's ceased posting here. I've talked to a number of others, fed up of the forums being total asshole magnets.

RG:

Jeff:

A sham coherence has been imposed upon the material of each member of this sequence of very loose assertions through the reliance upon neither logic nor evidence but upon a commonly accepted and very shop worn common framework. These are all positive claims, which of course doesn't guarantee that they are any easier to prove than a negative, and thus far no evidence has been produced for them, which doesn't necessarily mean that they're true mind you, or perhaps you're saying that since I have provided no evidence for my claims then you/Jeff know more about what I'm saying than I do, who knows?.. Whatever the case may be, that once again was my point, so to speak. Back to you again.

Throwing in my two cents un-asked, but just to say that, sure, Webby's been a bit, uh, recalcitrant on this issue, but he is a good guy on a personal level and he's one of the few people on libcom who've I seen make truly heartfelt apologies. It would be a shame to see him - or anyone who's annoyed with him - stop posting on libcom.

That said, Webby, the fash thing, probably let that one go. The Jimmy Saville thing, the posting of the personal information (although did I somehow miss that one?), maybe one of those apologies might be in order...

this

isn't a response to me

Yeah, I did do that email thing but the context in which it was done and the actual information, or rather complete lack of, didn't seem at all damaging especially as I was using it to make a point about how Fleur's behaviour had upset me precisely because we had been on very good terms and confided in each other. Bad form though clearly and I am sorry for it.
As for the Jimmy Saville comment, if anyone is daft enough to believe, or determined enough to do a character assassination on me by suggesting that I was comparing the crimes of Saville to those of non vegans that's their problem, not mine. FFS, it's clear as day that I was using an example as a way to demonstrate a principle. Admittedly it had a fairly hefty amount of topspin on it but that just made it more clear that I wasn't speaking literally.

Anyhow, thanks for your kind words but I don't think there is any point to this thread. Same old, same old;

Topic comes up, I wade in like a bull in a china shop, people chat shit about protein and helping people before animals as if the two are mutually exclusive, I insult people with sardonic humour, in desperation they come out with hilariously ill informed opinions, I make fun of them were n a fairly unkind to way as I have here with RG and the few people that engage in completely good faith are pushed to the back. Fucking pointless. I still think that many posters need to get torn a new one but it doesn't do any good whatsoever. I can't in all honesty say I'm sorry or that I regret what I've posted here, I stand solidly by it but I do regret posting at all.

i don't know what you think your' making fun of but it aint me, how about you start here if your going to"respond" to me

Referring to private correspondence - about our kids, no less - just to make a point in a stupid fucking forum was scummy behaviour, no matter how obtuse you feel it was and was a gross violation of privacy and trust. It's also guaranteed that there will be no more private correspondence.

It is also gross stupidity if you think that making a comment that Jimmy Savile found consensual sex boring, in the next sentence to saying that non- vegans find vegan food boring, is not going to be construed as something offensive. I suppose the best thing I can think of that is that you're guilty of stupid hyperbole but it was as offensive as fuck. It's exactly this sort of crap which gives vegans a bad name and it's certainly unlikely to persuade anyone to come over to your point of view.

Given that you've been throwing around insults and fantasizing about giving us pus-guzzlers a good kicking, it's hard to work out how I'm supposed to find your sardonic humour very funny. Animal rights seems to be the only fucking thing you want to talk about, yet whenever anyone tries to discuss it and has another point of view, you shoot it down, not even able to countenance a different point of view and exhibiting a total lack of empathy for anyone else. What about some of that humility you're forever going on about.

Seriously, fuck you Webby.

I have a large carton of popcorn (coated in soya marg), tofu jerky, pretzels and some beers, settle down and read this bad boy thread.

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Hi UV, you started this thread being passive aggressive and i see you mean to carry on that way.

the thing with videos like that is everyone knows that the people making them put in all the worst stuff they can find.

i don't know about elsewhere but in the uk keeping animals in cages to small for them to turn around is not the norm, it might actually be illegal, lots of animals can be see in fields if you go to the countryside, of cause its not particularly nice to keep animals confined and kill them for food, but when your entire argument consists of the worst stuff you can find anywhere in the world then your not arguing for people to stop using animals for food, your arguing for rules on how they are treated. if you want to argue that animals should never be used in food production you need to take the best case scenario and show its still unacceptable

I don't think this hand-waving anecdotal style is conducive to reasoned debate rg, and has been shown in this thread to be counterproductive. Can you at least provide some factual evidence for what you're saying?

In our techno utopian future we will all be eating real meat constructed from stem cells grown in vats manipulated to create the correct taste and texture, proper milk and cheese from genetically modified yeast or something.

Simple

why does the proximity of the production of food to the consumers of the food correlate with sustainability? it doesn't, the idea that it does comes from liberal ideology, support your local farmers and all that crap.
Of cause your right that the literal crap should be reused to fertilise crops, if with modern technology we can transport food from a place then we can certainly transport shit back.

Not that its bad to grow food as close to where its consumed as possible is a bad thing, it just has no inherit virtue.

How ever, in the future with hydroponics and and growing indoors under artificial lights growing food closer to where its used will probably become more practical

i don't find your posts conducive to reasoned debate, half the time i have trouble figuring out what your trying to say or who its aimed at.

what is it your lacking evidence for?

I think there is a big difference between concern for animal welfare (which is totally valid in my view) and a perspective I earlier called biocentric which views all individual organisms as being of equal worth and thus deserving of the same rights. The later I think that has a lot of problems some of which have been brought up in this thread, but basically I think it has potential to be misanthropic, it views a way in which humans have (and still rely on in some places) for supporting themselves as fundamentally immoral as Chili said back in #60 and lastly I just think it is absurd that all individual organisms have the same intrinsic worth to each other, whether that's an insect, a virus, a cow, chicken, fish, dog or human. Anyway I think this thread has passed boring now, and given the antagonism its caused between members it should probably just die.

at least some of that it likely to happen in our dystopian cyberpunk present pretty soon

Lol we'll probably destroy the environment and be eating some powder supplement

Yes I came to the same conclusion a little earlier. I'm not lacking evidence for anything, but to initiate a constructive discussion rather than just continuing with your game of word ping pong, you're going to have to back up what you claim, rather than wasting people's time with the likes of 'everyone knows' or the ludicrous 'lots of animals can be see in fields if you go to the coun'tryside' (F.F.S.!). I haven't been paying much attention to the thread but just looking at your response to UV:

1. 'in the uk keeping animals in cages to small for them to turn around is not the norm'
2. 'your entire argument consists of the worst stuff you can find anywhere in the world'

What where the numbers, where are the proofs which convinced you of these deeply held convictions?

so everything is say is a deeply held conviction now?

well you can look at the laws about animal welfare here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/animal-welfare

this part says regarding freedom of movement

As for what there argument consists of, they have been telling us all through this thread that we just needed to what this video, that should be enough to convince us, if we have any empath at all, that veganism is the only way. Typical vegan propaganda consists of bad things happening to animals, and lies about whats in fast food, from what was said, and the first few seconds of the video, i guessed it was the former kind.
now do i know that they picked the worst stuff they could find in the hope of provoking the strongest reaction? no i don't, but i would be vary surprised if they didn't.

When I was a kid I had impetigo on my forehead. It was itchy as hell and not to be scratched. This thread is a bit like that as new posts pop up and I know I should not look.

Alright! I'll have a look at that, in particular it would be relevant to check if there were equivalent animal welfare laws where the videos were filmed.