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Mike Harman
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Oct 6 2006 17:31
two right columns (and one right column)

ages ago we said we'd have a go at this, but haven't tried it yet, so I just did (rkn, look at page.tpl.php to see where the switch was made).

what do you think? Obviously things have been done two work with a left and right column, so if we did it it'd require some reworking, but in general...?

Mike Harman
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Oct 6 2006 17:32

see look how much better articles look:

http://libcom.org/news/korean-riot-police-raid-union-building-03102006

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Oct 6 2006 17:33

Well at first it throughs you, cos my cursor goes to the left per default.

Also it scuppers my plan to do a dynamic 2nary menu with notes etc. in it in the blue coloumn.

I think i may prefer standard 3 coloumn. But leave it for a bit and see

Mike Harman
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Oct 6 2006 17:34

hold on. I'll switch the two columns around first - that way the menu could potentially come out to the left.

john
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Oct 7 2006 09:28

I may just be too old and quick to settle in my ways - but I can't get used to it! My cursor now has to do a sort of left-to-right arc every time!

Mike Harman
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Oct 7 2006 09:42

nah it's a bit weird for me as well. I prefer it as a layout though - makes articles easier to read imo.

john
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Oct 7 2006 10:59

yes, i definitely thought the articles looked better; but don't like it so much for the forums

is it possible to make the layout section-specific? grin

Mike Harman
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Oct 7 2006 11:11

Yeah it is actually, can't see us doing it for a while though wink

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Oct 7 2006 12:23

hmmm, i think it's an improvement. finding it hard to get used to tho! it just seems like something should be there... cos most sites do have menus to the left.

i still hate that dark blue with white text!!

hmmm not sure about browse and notes in top bar. maybe notes cos they're a section, but browse isn't...

Mike Harman
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Oct 7 2006 12:38

The colours:

I changed the right bar one - coincidentally it's almost the same as the darker comments shade.

I reckon we should making the comments the same colour as the right column (or something similar) - then make the lighter grey a slightly different shade, and use that for the left column - then things would look a bit less washed, but not that sharp blue bar like it is now.

rkn's going to stick notes/browse into another pop-out menu in the left column, so it's only temporary.

I reckon we should add a load of links to the top bar - all news regions/sectors, history regions, the main forum containers (or even all of them).

We could have some kind of gradient background fading out from the left side - make it a bit less empty?

Mike Harman
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Oct 7 2006 12:50

tbh, we could even put all the blocks one right column. Especially if we stuck the search box in the header.

Then pad the centre a bit to use up the extra whitespace.

Mike Harman
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Oct 7 2006 13:11

tried search box up top and disabled that block temporarily for comparison.

Does that fuck things up for anyone?

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Oct 7 2006 14:46

nah looks good. should auto-select text when clicking though.

Mike Harman
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Oct 7 2006 15:21

autoselect text? You mean highlight the "search: libcom.org" thing.

I worked out how to get rid of it when you click, not how to highlight - can look if you want I guess.

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Oct 7 2006 15:46

no that's what i meant, great

john
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Oct 7 2006 19:21

when you scroll down, can't you make it so the columns don't scroll at the same time? otherwise you have to go all the way back up to get back to the tracker link

Mike Harman
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Oct 7 2006 19:25

hmm. that might be possible. I think we could make a menu float independent of the columns.

It's the sort of thing that might break certain browsers though as well, and could be really annoying if it doesn't work perfectly.

Mike Harman
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Oct 8 2006 09:30

sorry people.

going to try one right column (but a bit wider), just to see.

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Oct 8 2006 13:34

I was going to suggest two coloumns, one blue(ish) cos right now its too grey again. But make the coloumns thinner and all the text in them smaller.

Mike Harman
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Oct 8 2006 13:44

I'm not sure we can make the normal text in them any smaller, the titles though definitely. Making them both thinner is cool, just a matter of stuff fitting. Maybe have one thin one which just does menu and maybe one or two other things, one thicker for headlines etc which look bad on multiple lines?

Bluer is good, I think John's right overall though about the white text - if it can be light/transparent enough to still have black text that'd be good.

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Oct 9 2006 08:33
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I was going to suggest two coloumns, one blue(ish) cos right now its too grey again. But make the coloumns thinner and all the text in them smaller.

Going to have a go at this now.

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Oct 9 2006 08:46

that blue looks better.

in IE there's this v small line or shadow effect thing which makes darker blue col overlap top and right col slightly

Mike Harman
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Oct 9 2006 08:51

Could barely see it on a 19 inch monitor wink but killed it now.

Steve
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Oct 9 2006 09:20

What the fuck is going on? Everytime I look at libcom it's changed. At home I use Firefox at work explorer and it looks different on both. Now (at work) I can't see the writing in the grey box in the blue column. Can't you guys just have a simple set up that is user friendly and doesn't depend on some level of IT knowledge beyond your average poster?angry

Mike Harman
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Oct 9 2006 09:28
Steve wrote:
What the fuck is going on? Everytime I look at libcom it's changed. At home I use Firefox at work explorer and it looks different on both.

That's because we're changing it Steve.

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Can't you guys just have a simple set up that is user friendly and doesn't depend on some level of IT knowledge beyond your average poster?angry

Not unless we change it, no. If it's not user friendly now, then it never will be unless we try things out angry

Thora
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Oct 9 2006 09:42

I don't like it.

Mike Harman
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Oct 9 2006 09:54

What don't you like?

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Oct 9 2006 10:20

The text in the blue column is nearly impossible to read in IE atm because its showing up as white text in a light grey box?

I wonder, would it be possible to only have one side column but have pop-out 'latest' tags (ie. you hover the mouse over a 'News' tag and it shows the most recent three headlines)? I think it might be the use of two columns for the layout that makes it look a bit clumsy.

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Oct 9 2006 10:34

the columns on right takes a bit of getting used to, but it is better.

The site will keep changing until we come up with the best possible format for our users and what we want to achieve, sorry if it causes any inconvenience in the mean time.

I think it's beginning to look very swish, good work catch!

Mike Harman
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Oct 9 2006 10:43
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The text in the blue column is nearly impossible to read in IE atm because its showing up as white text in a light grey box?

not for me sad

I think what I'll have to do is completely undo all the changes I've made to the new menus. Which'll mean they look pig-ugly for a while, but will be readable and work...

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I wonder, would it be possible to only have one side column but have pop-out 'latest' tags (ie. you hover the mouse over a 'News' tag and it shows the most recent three headlines)?

That's tricky to do. The current idea is in the top column, to have drop-downs for news regions/sectors - there's only a couple in there now but you get the idea. And then to have a "browse" menu from the right sidebar - which links to the trackers, latest news and other stuff.

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I think it might be the use of two columns for the layout that makes it look a bit clumsy.

I'm moving towards only having one column, but we'll have to experiment a bit. Will switch it back to that for a while - it'll look shit again for a bit.

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Oct 9 2006 11:07
Mike Harman wrote:
Saii wrote:
The text in the blue column is nearly impossible to read in IE atm because its showing up as white text in a light grey box?

not for me :(

for me it was like that for about 20 mins this morning, hasn't been for a few hours. i figured it was a caching thing, or temporary mid-change thing.