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Mar 7 2005 13:54
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Did you know....

* 40% of Black & Asian women live in poverty: twice the proportion of white women.

* On average, Pakistani & Bangladeshi women earn only 56% of the average hourly wage of white men.

* A female victim of domestic violence has on average 11 contacts with agencies before getting the help she needs -- this rises to 17 if she's black.

* Only 24% of young people (age 11-15) trust newspapers. 39% trust politicians (hooray!). 86% (yep.... 86%) trust the police and 81% trust teachers.

Just thought I'd give you some figures to half-remember & then drunkenly repeat in the pub later wink

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Mar 7 2005 14:16
the button wrote:
86% (yep.... 86%) trust the police

Hmm i find that one pretty hard to believe... just from what you see out and about on a daily basis.... But then i guess it varies between situations and people will always say something different to what they mean wink tongue

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Mar 7 2005 14:50
    You are more likely to be working class if you are black than white

    Therefore those statistics are largely meaningless, as they take ethnicity and not class as the determinant

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Mar 7 2005 14:52
pingtiao wrote:
    You are more likely to be working class if you are black than white

    Therefore those statistics are largely meaningless, as they take ethnicity and not class as the determinant

And the winner is........ pingtiao

wink I was sitting here with my stopwatch waiting for the first "It's class."

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Mar 7 2005 14:55

.... and 56% of them are made up on the spot.

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Mar 7 2005 15:19
pingtiao wrote:
You are more likely to be working class if you are black than white

Therefore those statistics are largely meaningless, as they take ethnicity and not class as the determinant

Aw man I hope you're not becoming like those urban75 anarchists who think race has no impact on a person. Cos that is utter balls.

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Mar 7 2005 15:29

That is clearly not what I wrote.

Those statistics don't prove what they purport to, as they are not adjusted for class- and so are practically meaningless.

If you took the class distribution of the people into account, I'm sure you would come up with biases in the directions indicated, although i'd guess they'd be massively less.

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Mar 7 2005 16:56

7% of the population is from an ethnic minority, the vast majority are working class in a marxist sense. So adding in class to these statistics would almost certainly make no statistical difference. They are hardly meaningless. Statistics without sources are crap though.

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Mar 7 2005 17:02
Jason Cortez wrote:
Statistics without sources are crap though.

The Home Office embarrassed & Fawcett Society.

See fawcettsociety.org.uk. The name of the report is "Black & Ethnic Minority Women in the UK."

The one about kids trusting the cops more than the papers comes from the 2003 Home Office Citizenship Survey. So no bias there.

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Mar 7 2005 18:39

Statistically speaking you would have to compensate for wealth/class to determine how much of the difference is down to race. I don't doubt there's differences based on race though.

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Mar 8 2005 10:42

From the Amnesty Stop Violence Against Women Campaign

Domestic violence - the facts..

2 women are killed each week in the UK by a current or former partner (Homicide Statistics, 1998) - 1 woman killed every 3 days.

An analysis of 10 separate domestic violence prevalence studies by the Council of Europe showed consistent findings: 1 in 4 women experience domestic violence over their lifetimes and between 6-10% of women suffer domestic violence in a given year. (Council of Europe, 2002)

1 woman in 9 is severely beaten by her male partner each year. (Stanko et al, 1998)

Domestic violence has a higher rate of repeat victimisation than any other crime. (Home Office, July 2002)

Every minute police in the UK receive a domestic assistance call - yet only 35% of domestic violence incidents are reported to the police. (Stanko 2000 & Home Office 2002)

The 2001/02 British Crime Survey (BCS) found that there were an estimated 635,000 incidents of domestic violence in England and Wales. 81% of the victims were women and 19% were men. Domestic violence incidents also made up nearly 22% of all violent incidents reported by participants in the BCS. (Home Office, July 2002)

On average, a woman is assaulted 35 times before her first call to the police. (Jaffe 1982)

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Mar 8 2005 11:08
revol wrote:
The problem is that saying pakistani and bangladeshi women earn only 56% of the average wage as white men automatically confines the debate within ehtnicity.

and gender.

also from fawcett:

UK women working full time earn only 82% of male full time hourly wage

UK women working part time earn only 59% of male full time hourly wage

from the national assembly of women 'pensions briefing':

Just over 10 million pensioners live in the UK and 64 per cent of these are women; because women on average live longer than men, they form an even larger proportion of pensioners aged 75 and over where low incomes are concentrated.

Figures published by the DSS last year for recently retired people (men aged 65 and women aged 60) showed average male State pensions of £86.36 per week compared with female pensions of £49.20 per week.

At any time there may be as many as two million women in regular employment who do not earn enough to pay National Insurance contributions towards their State pension entitlement.

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Mar 8 2005 11:12

Cheers for the stats random, shocking.

Although this

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1 woman in 9 is severely beaten by her male partner each year. (Stanko et al, 1998)

I don't beleive for one second. A shame that exaggerations like that can creep in to studies, especially when it seems that the same researcher is credited with several stats in that list. It makes the others, which seem more realistic, easier to dismiss by the casual observer.

I'd be interested in reading that report by Stanko to see how s/he arrived at that- sample sizes, methodology etc.

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Mar 8 2005 11:18

im never sure whether to trust stats or not, they seem easily twisted by any and all sides. they are always supplied in short sentences without showing how that conclusion was reached, and when i look up the full reports i find them usually too complicated to make much sense of. but i find them sort of useful as a guide.

i havent seen the original report but i think that maybe its possible that some individual women are being counted more than once? im assuming that the figures are taken from hospital reports or something.

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Mar 8 2005 11:40
pingtiao wrote:
I'd be interested in reading that report by Stanko to see how s/he arrived at that- sample sizes, methodology etc.

bit more info on that:

"A recent survey of 129 women attending GPs surgeries in North London found 1 in 9 reported experiences of domestic violence serious enough to require medical attention in the past 12 months "

"1 in 4 incidents result in substantial physical injuries. 10% of 129 women surveyed in North London GP surgeries reported being knocked unconscious by their partners. 5% had sustained broken bones as a result of domestic violence."

(Elizabeth Stanko, Debbie Crisp, Chris Hale and Hebe Lucraft (1997) Counting The Costs: Estimating The Impact of Domestic Violence in the London Borough of Hackney, Swindon: Crime Concern)."

I found those bits on a page from Basildon Women's Refuge which has a number of other stats on it, (check the page itself for sources) eg.

A number of local surveys in the UK show between 1 in 3 and 1 in 4 women report having suffered domestic violence at some time in their adult lives.

A survey of 1000 women in city centres in North England found that 1 in 8 women reported having been raped by their husbands or partners.

Women who are physically abused report physical injuries on average four occasions during a twelve month period.

60% of 127 women resident in refuges in Northern Ireland experienced violence during pregnancy. 13% lost their babies as a result.

Domestic violence is the least likely violent crime to be reported to the police. Only one out of three crimes resulting in injury are reported.

Women who suffer domestic violence are likely to under report incidents of abuse. In a study of 484 women's experiences of violence in Surrey, 2 out of 3 women who defined themselves as victims of domestic violence said they had not told family, friends or agencies about the abuse.