So that STWC march thing

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gawkrodger
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Mar 19 2005 21:18
So that STWC march thing

how many people were on it ( i presume nowhere near the claimed figure of 100k)?

i presume it was boring/pointless?

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Mar 20 2005 16:45

Most speaches were boring (actually I thought hearing ex-TA soldiers denounce the war from the platform was extremely important), but it was NOT pointless. These things are what you make them to a certain extent. As crap as the STW is, I wish we (and I definately include myself in this) would stop grumbling about it and act to create alternative forms of resistance to the war...

edit: fix crap spelling

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Mar 20 2005 19:49

no, surely we should keep calling it the 'STWC March' just to make sure the STWC completely hegemonise anti-war demonstrations, in case they hadn't done so already, now that comrades is clearly the correct position roll eyes

It was a decent demo, i reckon it was somewhere around 50,000 turn out, probly not 100,000 in fairness.

ps and nicely put asa

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Mar 21 2005 09:37

Twas fun, but i was lucky bein in the Rhythms of Resistance cos i heard the rest was dull as usual.

The UCL occupation was good too- plenty of drink and music and fun and lovely food and nice people.

Good work kids if anyone from UCL is reading.

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Mar 21 2005 13:01

My above post was too negative: there already are non-crap/boring/SWP dominated anti-war actions to a certain extent (just need to do more). A great example was the UCL occupation, as ftony mentioned. There needs to be more of these student occupations. The new Gower street social centre is a great resource in aid of such actions. Obviously, student action is only one such form of anti war actions that we should be involved with.

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Mar 21 2005 13:59

I sold 3 copies of Freedom.

Result...

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Mar 21 2005 14:10
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
I sold 3 copies of Freedom.

Result...

grin red n black star

Lazlo_Woodbine
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Mar 21 2005 15:51

That's about one for every 15,000 people on the march. If we project that across the entire country we can predict a readership of 4,000 for Freedom...

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Mar 21 2005 17:05

I didn't know you were coming down Lazlo, I'd have liked to have met you.

Tom A
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Mar 21 2005 17:07
Lazlo_Woodbine wrote:
That's about one for every 15,000 people on the march. If we project that across the entire country we can predict a readership of 4,000 for Freedom...

Using that calcuation with Socialist Worker sales means that the SWP probably have about 100 times the circulation of Freedom... roll eyes

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Mar 21 2005 17:08

I got screamed at by passing demonstrators cause my mum was really tired and not feeling well and I needed the loo so we went into Starbucks cause it was there...

I am a bad, bad person. sad

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Mar 22 2005 08:36

yes lucy you are indeed. you missed the perfect opportunity to berate hippy lunatics for their lifestylism and lack of class analysis. shame on you, you've let the enrager side down.

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Mar 22 2005 12:35

yeah, but I also sold 4 of another publication (that was overpriced). I offered someone a Direct Action, but after looking through it she said it was 'too mad'. eek

Mr. T

Seasonally adusted and with London weighting, I think you'll find that my novice-level paper selling ability is well above a soft Trot's. angry

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Mar 22 2005 12:57

Poorest placard on the demo

'wars kill animals too'

too right, gotta get your priorities straight, i heard that a rat was brutally poisoned in abu gharib by an over zealous guard just yesterday, the hellish malevolence shown to the animals of iraq in the pursuit of the control of capital in the region never ceases to sicken me.

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Mar 22 2005 13:01
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Ah, but did you score a copy of Workers Vanguard and a shitty AWL pamphlet in trade?

I discovered the Red Party and I realised who the Hekmethites are.

Vanneg -- don't laugh, if we can get the A-Lib mobement properly on side we'll see B52s burnt out and Jeff Hoon attacked with iron bars

(which would be awful and individualist terrorism)

Thora
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Mar 22 2005 14:26

Well, I enjoyed a day out in the sunshine. Alan pissed me off though (again).

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Mar 22 2005 17:42
ftony wrote:
The UCL occupation was good too- plenty of drink and music and fun and lovely food and nice people.

Good work kids if anyone from UCL is reading.

Did that go well then? I was chatting to people on thursday and, from what I heard, its success wasn't as assured as the last one. Did they get the Jeremy Benthem?

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Mar 22 2005 17:58

Was in true revolutionary style of the last UCL occupation where they rented the room beforehand?

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Mar 22 2005 21:05

is the UCL squatted Thora? i was thinking on the bus home after meeting you after the demo, that would be bloody hard em probably impossible to do. so i'm well impressed if it is... and if its rented, well hey, i read the leaflet and theres loads of good stuff happening. i'm sorry we didn't have longer to talk about what people are doing at UCL (fucking demos held in london, d'y'know, some of us had a four hour trip home after that pint.... angry) i'd have been interested.

was nice to meet you anyway and hope its still going well.

8)

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Mar 22 2005 21:19
Thora wrote:
Alan pissed me off though (again).

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I'm actually a bad person for this. It's my fault for reading your squat's leaflet I guess. sad

EDIT: If it's any consolation, I was really grumpy all day cos Jess and Jack kept ripping me.

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Mar 22 2005 22:15
rkn wrote:
Was in true revolutionary style of the last UCL occupation where they rented the room beforehand?

Oi! that wasn't UCL! That was Goldsmith's! smile

UCL is home to the revolutionary vanguard! wink

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Mar 23 2005 12:05
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Christ, it was even worse when the demo went past the fucking "animals die in war too" memorial.

Camels For Peace would be very upset if they heard that. smile

I couldn't go cos I was working and I can't afford to lessen the magnitude of my next paycheque...

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Mar 23 2005 15:18
Alan_is_Fucking_Dead wrote:
Thora wrote:
Alan pissed me off though (again).

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I'm actually a bad person for this. It's my fault for reading your squat's leaflet I guess. sad

no you aren't

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Mar 23 2005 15:49

86 copies of Class War were sold, so I suppose on the "giving propaganda to the masses" side of things it was not a total waste of time.

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Mar 23 2005 16:01
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Did that go well then? I was chatting to people on thursday and, from what I heard, its success wasn't as assured as the last one. Did they get the Jeremy Benthem?

i assume you mean that's the name of the room! I'm not too good at exhuming people. grin

yeah it was fun and very positive apart from some loopy american guy who got up front and said "there's no use just sitting and talking, you've got to change things, you've got to do something big and do it well and if you don't then you're all a bunch of pussies RAAAAA"

and then we waited for him to maybe suggest something better than an occupation, but then he just stormed out.

Dem krazy Yanks roll eyes

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Mar 23 2005 17:50

was that the guy who was at the london bookfair who stood up in the dissent meeting and told us all we were all a bunch of wusses and then stormed out. he was american too.

i had to admire his technique of berating without offering any alternative proposals. very impressive.

Thora
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Mar 24 2005 16:19

Students squatted the UCL building just up the road from the new social centre - properly broke in and squatted it AFAIK, no nefarious renting involved. It was actually a lot better than I'd expected.

Lucy - the social centre's squatted, we've been in about four weeks now. The building's owned by the University of London. We hadn't had much hassle from them up til this point, but we're open as a cheap vegan cafe at lunchtime now, and we've had a polite letter from their lawyer requesting we vacate the premises...

Was good to meet you too - it's a pity it was so brief though.

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Mar 24 2005 16:42

Er, where abouts is it? Cheap vegan cafe sounds nice.

Thora
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Mar 24 2005 16:49
nosos wrote:
Er, where abouts is it? Cheap vegan cafe sounds nice.

76-78 Gower Street WC1. It's just by ULU, the street's parallel to Tottenham Court Road. Cafe's open Wednesday, Thursday and Friday 12pm - 3pm. The Cafe Rebelde's also open at the same time selling Zapatista coffee and tea, as is the Infoshop, which has a selection of books and pamphlets for sale as well as a library.

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Mar 24 2005 17:32

I wish we didn't keep refering to 'vegan cafes', as it makes them sound all wheatgermy, artificial and unappetising. The only reason to announce the veganity is to attract dodgy types like Nosher, who are just dragging the movement down by their lumpen ways, anyway angry

<shakes fist>

At the sumac centre everything's vegan, but we don't make a point of it -- a nice fry-up's a nice fry-up. 8)

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Mar 24 2005 18:58

Sorry Laz - its, er... just a cafe, no wheatgerm. Lots of food from skips though wink