Happy St Paddy's Day All!

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thaw
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Mar 18 2005 00:11
Happy St Paddy's Day All!

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Mar 18 2005 07:22

Happy "making Guinness PLC even wealthier day to you as well!"

George W Bush has done his bit to get the Irish vote, Gerry Adams has hawked his begging bowl around the US, Ken Livingstone has had his very artifical irish festival in London (on a Sunday so as not to interefere with business) so all in all a typical St Patricks Day!

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Mar 18 2005 08:57

Not just Guinness, but Diageo, the world's largest drinks company and owners of Guinness and almost everything else.

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Mar 18 2005 18:09

but on the plus side, i went to a pub last night and they gave me free irish stew with mushy peas and cabbage and a pint of free guiness. very nice it was too.

i am so weak embarrassed

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Mar 18 2005 23:09

Yeah, yeah, you intellectuals. Some folk had a few drinks together (Diageo nae doot) and had a bit of a crack. Stop being so predictably boring, we know the monopoly politics. Can't we enjoy ourselves for once?

Bloody middle classes.

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Mar 18 2005 23:34

Aye, why don't you do it on St. Andrews day then thaw? That would be your 'nations' relevant patron saint wouldn't it?

Nothing wrong with a piss up but this really is a load of old wank.

Lucy cabbage and mushy peas with Irish stew what the fuck is that about? Apart from them both being green but thats really stretching the Irish connection to a couple of vegetables. Did they put green food colouring in yer stew and pint of Guiness too?

thaw
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Mar 18 2005 23:39

Sorry, boul, can't be bothered getting fired up about this. We are internationalists. More love. XX (Anyway, I'm half irish and my daughter has an Irish Dad.

\and I think we are part of Ireland the country. You tell me why the British rule Northern Ireland, anarchists friends? (notwithstanding the usual capitalist-induced fears)?

Isn't it their own country? Anarchists?

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Mar 19 2005 06:39

boucolonialboy, i really think your right and they chose the veg cause they were green. thought it was odd at the time. tasted good though..

last year i was in a real ale pub and they DID give me green beer

eek

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Mar 19 2005 12:36

Oh, I agree with you Thaw, I'm just a pedant )

Though I'm sick of "middle class" people being treated as some kind of homogenous entity.

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Mar 19 2005 18:45
thaw wrote:
Sorry, boul, can't be bothered getting fired up about this. We are internationalists. More love. XX (Anyway, I'm half irish and my daughter has an Irish Dad.

\and I think we are part of Ireland the country. You tell me why the British rule Northern Ireland, anarchists friends? (notwithstanding the usual capitalist-induced fears)?

Isn't it their own country? Anarchists?

X

eh?

I might respond if I understood this post.

How can you be a 'part of' a country? What has 'British' rule in Northern Ireland got to do with getting pissed on Saint Patricks day (and all the other crap that goes along with celebrating St. Patricks day)?

Remember I did say there was nothing wrong with a piss up and a bit of craic (to use the correct Irish spelling).

And who are you talking about in the 'Isn't it their own country?'

Not middle-class.

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thaw
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Mar 20 2005 00:27

Possibly not my most clear post. For another day perhaps, but I do think that the partition of Ireland did start a carnival of reaction on both sides of the artificial border. And, yes, not a lot to do with St Pat's day. (Apologies, used Scottish spelling, now I know Boul). wink

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Mar 20 2005 09:54
thaw wrote:
Possibly not my most clear post.

I don't know, I think it's a contender.

thaw
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Mar 20 2005 23:12

8) smile :red: red n black star embarrassed

(And whoever identifies the sayer of the 'carnival of reaction' in Ireland quote wins 2 coconuts. (To be delivered at an unspecified time and place in the future.)

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Also, Boul, the folk who live in a place should run it I think. Try our own back gardens? (Gerrymandering notwithstanding, as it was in the North for years). The aftermath of the civil rights movement was to protect people - can you refute that, no you can't unless you are deluded! (Or possibly contaminated by middle class, individualist trots)

Aye, and while I'm on the subject, none other than Gusty Spence said (on the record) that there was a secret unit in the UVF that was directly funded by the British govt to carry out sectarian attacks on catholics to keep it all tribal, rather than class/ political). The Orange Order was the same.

I rest my case (and go to bed)

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Mar 23 2005 11:39

Nations are illusions, you should live where you want and be able to have your say in your community. It's as simple as that...

Deezer
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Mar 23 2005 20:50

Ceannairc (did I spell that right?) makes a good point. You'd have thought thaw who is half 'Irish' half 'Scots' with a half (three-quarters???) 'Irish' daughter would see the strong social links between working class people from different regions as an indication of working class internationalism instead of voicing support for seperatist nationalist politics. No borders not more borders, and no states, is what internationalism should be about.

Carnival of reaction and all the rest constitutes at least one new thread.

Who said "worker you have no country"?

But then this all bears little relation to St. Paddys Day except maybe for the most rabid of Irish nationalists.

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thaw
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Mar 24 2005 23:53

I, of all people, know workers have no country!! (Ne me patronise pas, s'il te plait)

But I also know anarchism is not instantly produced like a rabbit out of a hat and that there may be a few twists and turns beforehand no matter how much we wish it! (and am reasonably au fait with Marx). A debate at least ?!

Also, Cean may make a good theoretical arcane point (as could any fresher, no offence C), but it's not what moves the manipulated people under Brit capitalist hegemony! And did not respond to my specific & serious point about direct funding of sectarian attacks by the Brit govt. Platitudes will not do!

If it was so simple, capitalism would have already been overthrown - tribalism is not the issue, although they use it of course!!! As per, it's class.

Awra best, we'll get to the bottom of this yet!

(And, zut alors!)

PS Carnival of reaction was a Connolly quote BTW (cue revol or alter ego ...)

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Mar 28 2005 22:42

Patronise? I fucking know who the carnival of reaction quote was from and nor am I a revol alter ego.

What I did suggest, and not to avoid discussion either, was that the several points you made should perhaps be posted as new threads if you want them discussing. They aren't really that relevant to a 'Happy St Paddy's Day All!' thread. Or is that not obvious?

But to make a start I'd actually date the carnival of reaction 'predicted' by Connolly to the late nineteenth century and early twentieth century and the development of Irish nationalism and unionism in the context of the three Home Rule crises. The reaction increased to the detriment of organised labour during the heightened political and sectarian violence that accompanied all three crises, the third seeing Ireland on the brink of civil war and with Unionists threatening confrontation with the British state and the establishment of a Provisional Government to keep Ulster out of a Home Rule Ireland. Of course reaction on both sides of the border increased as each state did what all new states do - consolidated themselves through the use of, among other things, violence.

The 'carnival of reaction' was one that Saint Connolly himself took part in when he more clearly aligned himself with Irish nationalism in the run up to the Easter Rising and then took part in that rising at the head of a reformed ICA of about 200 strong. While there are many other factors a play here it must be acknowledged that this association of 'socialism' with Irish nationalism has had, from the demand that labour must wait to the obstacle to class unity that exists in a view of socialism that is intertwined with nationalism, a detrimental effect on working class politics on this island to the present day.

"But deep in the heart of Ireland has sunk the sense of the degradation wrought upon its people - our lost brothers and sisters - so deep and humiliating that no agency less potent than the red tide of war on Irish soil will ever be able to enable the Irish race to recover its self-respect, or establish its national dignity in the face of a world horrified and scandalised by what must seem to them our national apostacy.

Without the slightest trace of irreverence but in all due humility and awe we recognise that of us as of mankind before Calvary it may truly be said:

Without the Shedding of Blood there is no Redemption."

In words worthy of the romantic nationalist Padraig Pearse this is the 'socialist' James Connolly, The Ties That Bind, Notes from the Front, The Workers' Republic, 5th February 1916. The Easter Rising, for those that might not know commenced on Monday 24th April 1916.

But really this should be, as I've said thaw, a new thread.

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Mar 29 2005 11:46

On a side note - I've just nocied that revol is the guy in the suit on The Faint's agenda suicide animation.