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what does solidarity really mean for the anarchist movement?

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Yrwenot3?
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Sep 28 2004 22:00
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if you mean unionist in terms of northern irish politics, then there wasn't one at the ayn gathering, just because someone doesn't worship the ira does not mean they support the udf or whatever it is.

There was. Wanna talk about it?

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Sep 28 2004 22:06

Cripes! Sounds like trouble.

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Sep 28 2004 23:18

So, somebody's finally worked out that me and Revol are the same person! I've got a dual internet connection and I've often had both computers logged on at the same time so it would look like there were really two of us. Also I tried to confuse you by making the Revol character's grammar less perfect and his posts just very slightly less humorous.

Anyway, yrwenot3, that whole thing aside, who the fuck are you? Bamber fucking Gascoigne? Jeremy Paxman? How come you always ask the fucking questions?

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Are you both the same unionist that went to the AYN Gathering?

No, I wasn't there and I didn't burn your fucking toy. But I'm prepared to go out on a limb and guess you're talking about Sabotabby. He is also me. This has been an especially elaborate hoax because we live in the same flat and I pay rent for two rooms though our other flat mates never see us in the kitchen at the same time. Sabotabby is not a unionist, but he can defend himself when he comes in. If he can be arsed. Or rather, I can defend myself as soon as I've taken off Wayne's ginger wig and put on Sabo's black mop. One day I came out in Revol's glasses and cunts didn't know what was going on. I also keep my mother's stuffed corpse in the cellar.

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And because they're Irish

Sorry? I'm not Irish, I'm British, right? Let's get that straight. The Revol character's Irish, I never know whether to celebrate Paddy's Day or not, same with the twelfth, it just depends which wig I've got on.

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There was. Wanna talk about it?

Yes please. Maybe Sabbo gives it the Billy Boys as soon as he's out my sight but somehow I doubt it. For a unionist he does a good anarchist impression.

Anyway, can I have the supermarket piece on my desk by tomorrow morning, and fax me the list of people who haven't supported you but should have, please?

p.s. Now that my Revol hoax has been rumbled, you wont be hearing from that name again. I'm going to stick with Wayne 'cos I always thought 'Revol68' was a bit crap.

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Sep 28 2004 23:35

And for the record, I did absolutely everything I could for the Thessaloniki hunger strikers (Simon wasn't the only one you nationalist bigot). Admittedly I haven't done anything since, but I did make every effort to support them. Of course it helps that I have enough personalities to fill a petition on my own. Wayne is the personality that sometimes has sex by the way. Revol and sabbo never get any.

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Sep 29 2004 00:47

Firstly, GT-

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that squat is actually very good, as squats go, and was from the start, no rat shit or anything.

That's true, it was nice as squats go.

Now Ywernot3 - OK, bit pissed, try to hold onto my temper - why do you say I'm unionist? And just as importantly, if you thought that then why didn't you say that at the time instead of bitching about me on the internet months later on? Being an anarchist that supports the British Crown seems to be the sort of contradiction a person would tend to bring up. I had conversations with a couple of people about this so I'm not exactly sure who you are, but all the conversations I had over the weekend were civilised exchanges of views. Nobody suggested I was a unionist. This is the same thing you did with the toy shit. Everybody left thinking folk had generally got on OK and then you start bringing up all this crap when you're not face to face with people. Once we've left we're all ex-public school boys (even the girls confused ) living off our paretns, lifestylists who recked your squat, Unionists, etc. What you going to spread next? "AYN actually filled with dirty old paedophiles"? "AYN responsible for Glencoe massacre"? "AYN listen to Billy Brag"?

Yes, I want to talk about this. Please explain why you said that and either apologise or detail what I said that indicated support for the British State.

And I hope-

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forgot your real name, but your face is still familiar smile

-is not supposed to be some sort of threat because I'll turn your squat into the fucking Wild Bunch.

Yrwenot3?
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Sep 29 2004 11:03

Dunno whether to start a thread on activist mental health or deranged 'anarchist' personality disorders.

Are there moderation guidelines for this forum?

Wayne
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Sep 29 2004 12:07

Well how's about just answering the questions on this one first?

In order of priority...

1. Please respond to Sabotabby and explain why you've labelled him a unionist, or apologise.

2. Let us know what groups/ individuals (not by name obviously), you think should have done more in solidarity with your squat (which, yes, everybody seems to agree is a very nice squat, as squats go).

3. A response on avoiding supermarkets would also be interesting, whenever you've got time.

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Sep 29 2004 12:51
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The order of supermarkets goes (from most pov to poshest) - aldi > ASDA > Tescos > Sainsburys > Waitrose. Co-op is like a wild card, it crops up in both rich and poor areas.

hmm what about icelands and safeways/morrisons ?

john

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Sep 29 2004 12:55

I went to Iceland once, I got a bit of a frosty reception, the staff were very cold smile

Safeway's posh, but it's shit, it's filled with fucking ready meals. Our local's an Asda and it's pretty good I think.

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Sep 29 2004 13:11

We have a Tesco & a Sainsbury's in Lewisham, but you'd have to be fucking mental to shop in either of them for anything other than booze or Marmite.

£1 (pronounced paaahnd) on the market will buy you..... 50 lemons or 5lbs of potatoes or 8 grapefruit or a box of mushrooms or 13 courgettes or 4 aubergines.

£1 in Sainsbury's will buy you fuck all, not even on a BOGOF.

I'll have to get the Mrs signed up to enrager, she does most of the shopping wink

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Feb 18 2012 11:32

The further South you go in the UK the more markets you get but I hate buying veg in this country. In France it's fucking great. Even the tiny village I lived in had it's own market every Saturday and you could get every sort of fresh veg you could want. You can buy fresh herbs at Asda and it's pretty cheap so I reckon it's the best. I'm going to go there in a few minutes

Wayne
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Sep 29 2004 22:59

Yrwenot3?, Stop shiteing yourself and get out here. Don't slander comrades if you're not prepared to back it up. Apologise or explain yourself.

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Sep 29 2004 23:20

i've always wondered, do they have a supermarket called england in iceland?

anyways, yrwenot3, revol68, wayne and sabotabby are three different people who happen to know each other and have fairly similar politics and sense of humour, which bares certain resemblance to that of bottom, and so post in fairly similar ways. in a similar way to how a few activists in birmingham all post saying how one small happy meal toy being slightly charred was as bad as if a bunch of greek insurrectionists had come and pissed all over the squat and painted "destroy everything everyday" in shit on the walls.

now, i'm fairly sure who you mean by the "unionist", and that was sabotabby, we had a big long conversation about ireland with him. i don't remember him saying at any point "fuck this for a load of papist shite, i'm going off to kneecap some catholics and then sell drugs and dodgy pirate merchandise to the local kids", which he would have done if he was a unionist. likewise, he didn't say "fuck this i'm off to kneecap some protestants" etc., so i don't think he was a republican either. so either you have a very different deffinition of unionist than other people, your labelling someone something they're not because you disagree with them, or you are indeed correct and ian paisley was there but i didn't notice as i was too busy reading harry potter. so which is it? as you know me, you know i'm not asking because i want to make various comments of a sexual nature about your mum as wayne invariably will, but it's unfair to label someone something like a unionist and then not back it up.

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Sep 29 2004 23:38

Yeah I see you're on the boards now Yrwenot3 so if you're going to throw around accusations like that why not back them up - or apologise for lying?

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Sep 30 2004 09:30

accusations?

do you want to list what they are exactly and qualify them with things I've *actually* said?

All I think I've raised is that Wayne and Revol seem closely related in terms of how they express things on this board and the way they interact with everyone else.

And the other point I've made is that someone I met along with other people at the AYN gathering sounds very familiar. They expressed views at the gathering that I would say equate roughly with a unionist view of the situation in Northern Ireland. What makes me think that you ask, well why don't we ask them on another thread? If they aren't the same person as I thought then like I'm willing to concede, "I'm barking up the wrong tree"!

hope that clears things up like a tube of cannestan smile

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Sep 30 2004 11:27

LOL could you backpedal faster?

You called that guy a unionist - a blatant and ridiculous lie. Why don't you have the guts to apologise.

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Sep 30 2004 16:01

Well I don't know any of these people Wayne, Revolt68, sabotagey and having read some of their posts here I AM PRETTY GLAD I DONT! So I cant comment on whether they are one person or three and I dont know if one of them or all of them are unionist bigots. However Wayne you are very keen for everyone to apologise to you when maybe its you who should apologise.

Wayne said "Apologise or explain yourself."

Im not just trying to start more conflict because I think there is already far too much here but this is important. Suggesting a person's political analysis resembles unionism is a very reasonable thing to say when compared to what you said Wayne.

"Shan also refers to a group of mongoloids"

I find that deeply offensive. I used to work with people who have special learning needs and hearing the word mongoloid used like that, especially as an insult, saddens me. Equally AWFUL is that everybody else on this board seems to think that language is acceptable. Is this an inclusive anarchist space or not?

As I have said my purpose here is not to provoke a fight, but I think now it is you Wayne who should APOLOGISE OR EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

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Sep 30 2004 16:23

compare and contrast the following quotes:

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Are you both the same unionist that went to the AYN Gathering?
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And the other point I've made is that someone I met along with other people at the AYN gathering sounds very familiar. They expressed views at the gathering that I would say equate roughly with a unionist view of the situation in Northern Ireland.

17 marks, plus and extra three marks for spelling and grammar. you have half an hour.

Yrwenot3?
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Sep 30 2004 16:28

I haven't got time to engage with your cognitive dissonance GT.

You know what was discussed, you were there

desertR
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Sep 30 2004 16:45

curious. are you sure you are not all the same person lol! I understood from this thread that it was sabotagey of whom it had been suggested was a unionist while wayne rather specialised in disabilism. Lol. Or maybe it is more likely that YOU ARE SO BUSY RUNNING AROUND TO DEFEND YOUR LITTLE GANG that you forget which one you are defending on which thread!!!

I will make it simple. Wayne is the kid who appears boastful about his flash clothes and sabotagey is the one who may or may not be a unionist!

LOL!!

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Sep 30 2004 17:06

i'm a mod, and wayne, revol and sabotabby have different ip addresses, aka they are different people

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Sep 30 2004 17:11

I'm a mod too and yes they are all different.

Wayne
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Sep 30 2004 17:35

I'm a rocker. Lets fight.

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Sep 30 2004 17:53

After that light relief...

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"Shan also refers to a group of mongoloids"

it is you Wayne who should APOLOGISE OR EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

Gladly. DesertR, you're a fucking occidental prick aren't you? Ignorant cunt. Shan refers to a group of mongaloid people from China, Thailand, Burma and Assam. It's also the name of their Sino-Tibetan language. Look it up in a dictionary. It has nothing to do with additional learning needs and is not an insult. Shan is also obsolete criminal slang for a base or counterfeit coin. People with disabilities, whether mental or physical, are my friends, comrades and fellow workers. Those familiar with my diatribes will know that respect for them is one of the many reasons I despise primitivism.

Now fuck face, join the queue waiting to type sorry wink

Don't feel too bad, you weren't to know- you probably didn't have the benefit of public schooling wink You'll learn with time to never contradict people like me who have enjoyed more expensive educations than you.

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Sep 30 2004 18:01

Also, desertR, could you stop TYPING IN CAPITALS every time you make a point, it is VERY ANNOYING and also QUITE PATRONISING.

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Sep 30 2004 18:02

roll eyes sad

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Sep 30 2004 18:50

Meanwhile, Yrewenot3 sat alone before his pc. He felt distracted as he tried to formulate a response. Bright lights from his local Tescos drifted through the squat window and fell across the room like a purple veil. A pattern like a giant spider manifested on the floor and for a second cold fear rushed him as he anticipated another bad flash back. No, it was just the shadow of the cracked windowpane. He breathed a heavy sigh as he remembered the night the rich AYN kids had gone on the rampage. God how he despised them. He touched the car they'd burned and pushed it across the desk. The warped plastic prevented the wheels from rolling and its stationary form saddened him. He drifted back to another time when it had glided across the floor. It had been so beautiful. 'Why?' he cried and banged his fist on the skipped desk and the noise was so loud he startled himself.

He had relived that weekend so many times. Now he had to concentrate. He rolled another cigarette, slowly, deliberately. He hunched over the keyboard, his talon hands, rough and blistered (for he was working class) stroked the keys with a gentleness you wouldn't have expected from such a man. 'S-O' he typed, then stopped. 'R-R'. 'No!' in a sudden angry pounce he deleted what he had just written.

His brow furrowed like a three dimensional map of the Welsh Valleys. If you looked far enough into those deep sunken eyes you would have seen a brain that worked in overdrive. How could he prove that bastard was a Unionist? What had he actually said? If only he could remember, if only he hadn't been so stoned. None of this would have happened. It's all my fault he thought for the one hundredth time that day. The car, the window, the toilet seat. 'You mustn't blame yourself' that's what Kidda kept telling him. But how could he not?

He started again. 'Sabotabby is a Unionist because...' the supermarket was taunting him. He looked at the consumerist masses buying their vegetables and for the next hour, he crushed their heads between his thumb and forefinger. 'I'm crushing your head, I'm crushing your head', he cackled. When he had crushed the whole building as a grand finale, he rolled another cigarette and returned to his computer. 'Sabotabby is a unionist because... he...' It was time for a brew.

What had it been, he didn't like the IRA. Was that it? Was that why he was a nationalist bigot? Was there something more? He cradled his car and thought that for one moment there was nothing he wouldn't give to remember that night clearly and have even the most rudimentary understanding of the troubles in Northern Ireland.

It was quiet in the squat. He was at peace here. He looked at his picture of barricades in West Belfast and started to touch himself. He rubbed the car against his perineum. For a second all was well in the world then he glanced at the supermarket, lost his erection and screamed in rage. 'What's it all about people?' he asked himself.

It wasn't until the next morning that he cracked it. When he got his reply it came forth like his cum the first time he held that car. 'I haven't got time to engage with your cognitive dissonance GT. You know what was discussed, you were there'. 'Cognitive dissonance' he repeated and smiled to himself. 'You know what was discussed, you were there'. 'So can you remember and it explain it all to me', he thought, and he laughed out loud. Like a mad man. Enough. He was busy. He had to sign on in three days time. He sat alone by his squat window and rocked back and forward. And he laughed, oh how he laughed.

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Sep 30 2004 22:14

now normally, i find yours and revol68's "humour" a bit repetitive, often pointless, and only funny when i'm in the mood for childish insults (ok, that's most of the time), but anyway, keep typing like that and you'll be the only one posting here, because everyone else will be too busy pissing themselves laughing...

and yes i was there, i remember what was said by sabotabby, i don't know enough about the situation in northern ireland to know if i agree with him, but i know enough to know that his views are not unionist. just as someone who thinks nazis are a bunch of wankers doesn't not automatically make them support the state repressing them. and so on.

and to return to the original thread... i would have thought solidarity would entail not making accusations against fellow anarchists that you refuse to back up.

and more importantly than this nonsense, i think rkn said earlier that communication would be one of the best ways to encourage solidarity, because most of the time the anarchist movement seems to work on informal friendship networks, so it's quite hard to show solidarity if you don't know when you need to. for instance with the brum squat: obviously people didn't know about the eviction etc. in time to put something in freedom say, but something could have gone on the general forum here. you can't blame people for not showing solidarity if they didn't know about it. if you publicise an urgent need for solidarity in every possible and realistic communication network the movement has, and you still get fuck all, then there's a problem. otherwise the problem is communication. and the tiny and spread out nature of the uk anarchist movement, together with the shit transport infrastructure...

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Oct 1 2004 08:05
GenerationTerrorist wrote:
keep typing like that and you'll be the only one posting here, because everyone else will be too busy pissing themselves laughing...

??? More like tired to read pointless drivel, insults and swearwords... But yeah, same result, they'll be the the only ones posting (probably their intention as well).

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Oct 1 2004 08:50

oh come on, that post is hilarious! and i know and like the guy it's about, just lighten up a bit and appreciate the humour... though i do agree that it does sometimes seem like theamount of different people posting has gone down rather a lot. if you two post like that rather than the over the top aggressiveness you find oh so funny the rest of the time, then i think it might be easier for newcomers to see that you're not being serious. not much chance of that happening though i spose...

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