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what does solidarity really mean for the anarchist movement?

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Kidda
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Sep 26 2004 20:26
what does solidarity really mean for the anarchist movement?

Ive been thinking about this for a while now, thinking back on past actions ive been on and how ive seen so called ''anarchists'' just ''fuck shit up'' and leave their ''comrades'' to take the blame and wallow in a piss filled cell for the night whilst they quaff their light ale down their 'traditional' boozer talking shite into the night about the days action, then claim to believe in ''solidarity'' when it all looks a bit serious, but all they end up doing is spouting from a keyboard or a newsheet about the need to ''organise'' and help each other out.

Our social centre up here in Birmingham is on high alert at the moment for eviction, the collective is tired and stressed yet determined to fight.

We call for solidarity, we call for help, and yet the people who help us our for the most part what you can call ''non anarchists''

Im not to sure if people understand what an achievement it is having a autonomous social centre opened up in the activist arsehole of nowhere or if im quite honest, if people even care.

Time after time when weve needed help, those to call, or email or txt us with support and solidarity to keep our sprits up and give us some hope that we can fight this succesfully have been people who you'd never find in a corner watching riot porn, or writing leaflet after leaflet that only really reaches themselves.

It made me think back to the lack of support Mark Barnsely had, or Satpal Ram, or more recently Simon Chapman.

Is ''anarchist solidarity'' just rhetoric that the majority like to spout off without even the slightest intention of following it through with action or is it really out there?

If you were fitted up by the state tomorrow and found it was you wallowing away in a piss filled cell for years on end or having to starve yourself for your freedom, could you rely on other anarchists on a wider scale than just the ''anarchists'' you associate with to come support you?

thinking on it, and as sad as it is, im quite sure i couldnt.

wheres this mutal aid then?

sad

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Sep 26 2004 20:38

Pretty true kidda - just one of the many problems the unorganised horde of 'anarchists' in the UK faces... and i dont think we can solve it until people start communicating and sharing inforamtion and resources... so nice one for bringing it up wink

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Sep 26 2004 21:00

When I was in a cell my comrades found out where I was, waited outside for me and even got food and drink sent in to me. It really raised my spirits.

Kidda
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Sep 26 2004 21:28

I remember getting a phonecall a couple of maydays ago from someone shitting themselves because their best mate had just been arrested and slapped in a cell. They were on their own in a strange city and didnt know what to do. At the time i was on my way back to brum so couldnt go and physically help. When i phoned a group of 'wadicals' who spend most of the year spouting off to other anarchists about the importance of sticking together, i got told that they were in the pub now and it would be to far for them to travel.

what pisses me off is that this seems to be a normality for the anarchist movement rather than the opposite.

If i get arrested on Wednesday, do i have to shit it out in a cell with no support?

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Sep 26 2004 21:32

Yo Kidda, get wid da lifestyle. Unless I can buy a t-shirt, or a video or sign up to a group - I aint interested wink

We'll be there for one another, you can count on that smile

Kidda
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Sep 26 2004 21:33

you'll be in the cell next door grin

its ok, im sure we can get Cllr Hemming to bail us out

Yrwenot3?
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Sep 26 2004 21:35

yeah man, bet he's an anarchist too

Kidda
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Sep 26 2004 21:39

the scary thing being a dodgy politician did more to stay off the eviction last week than any help from the anarcho not-moving movement

theres no help left for us. might as well become a trot, at least you get free reading material/bog roll

RESIST EVICTIONS, FIGHT BOGUS COUNCILS

but not in term time

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Sep 26 2004 21:42

A little bird told me that he mentioned summat about Krapotkin today outside the social centre when he was trying to get in. Wonder if he's Revol's old man?

Wayne
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Feb 18 2012 11:26

Who is it that's not given yous support?

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Sep 27 2004 06:26
nastyned wrote:
When I was in a cell my comrades found out where I was, waited outside for me and even got food and drink sent in to me. It really raised my spirits.

Snap!

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Sep 27 2004 07:44
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Who is it that's not given yous support? Are there anarchists in Birmingham that have dissed yous or what? Or are you expecting libertarians all over the world to organise solidarity actions with your shan squat? ...!

I was thinking about organising a solidarity action with the shan squat... ...................................................not ..... .

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Sep 27 2004 10:49
PaulMarsh wrote:
nastyned wrote:
When I was in a cell my comrades found out where I was, waited outside for me and even got food and drink sent in to me. It really raised my spirits.

Snap!

Snap! Snap! and Snap again! Infact I delivered a bag full of food an ddrink to someone a couple of days ago in Brum!

but that was cos we were part of an affinity group. Can't say I've ever noticed anything from organised anarchist groups - think that's what Kidda's trying to get across. Personally I never have counted or even contemplated getting any solidarity or support from these groups. I've never been in one for a start and it don't look like I'm gonna suddenly join one either.

What's a shan squat btw?

And what the fcuk have Sinn Fein gotta do with the price of fish?

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Sep 27 2004 13:05

Perhaps those with some experience should put together a "what you can do if your mate gets arrested" guide so that people will know what they can do. If you're in that situation there may be a lot of stuff that you don't think of on the spur of the moment...

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Sep 27 2004 13:52

Generally speaking putting out comments which are guilt loaded wont get you anywhere, but if you tell the rest of us how we can help you then you might get a civil response. But likewise you have to realise that compared to anywhere else in the world, the UK scene is fucking tiny.

So are theyre people we can put pressure on? Faxes, letters, telephone numbers? Have you publicised the eviction through freedom or elsewhere?

Im sure like most people I can do most things short of coming to B'ham....

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Sep 27 2004 15:36

http://www.ldmg.org.uk/ <= see here for a classic (& recently updated) guide to what to do if YOU get arrested. Also a small section on what to do if your mate gets arrested, with an emphasis on 'how not to drop your mate in the shit without meaning to.' It's called No Comment & can be downloaded in pdf for nowt.

red n black star

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Sep 27 2004 16:29
Yrwenot3? wrote:
Snap! Snap! and Snap again! Infact I delivered a bag full of food an ddrink to someone a couple of days ago in Brum!

but that was cos we were part of an affinity group. Can't say I've ever noticed anything from organised anarchist groups - think that's what Kidda's trying to get across.

What so if you get randomly nicked for something you expect SolFed to find out from their man on the inside or something and bring you sandwiches or something?

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Sep 28 2004 17:45
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What's a shan squat btw?

'Shan' means not very good. 'Squat' you know. An example of a non-shan squat would be the pad in that Carlsberg advert with the fit trainee chef and the lass who likes sport and the balcony that over looks some football ground. If you could squat that then it would be a squat, but not a shan squat. Shan also refers to a group of mongoloids.

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And what the fcuk have Sinn Fein gotta do with the price of fish?

Part of imperialist Britain's dirty war in Ireland involved massively over fishing rightfully Irish waters to destroy stocks of fish. This was a deliberate attack on the catholic community. Firstly because fish, especially on a Friday, is important to catholics. Secondly because they traditionally worked in the fishing industry and lost their businesses which led to an increase in the price of fish for catholics while protestants got subsidised fish from Scotland. The provisional IRA's bombing of a West Belfast fish shop in the seventies was a strategic attempt to even out this oppression.

So, having answered your questions, how's about reciprocating?

Who is it that's not given yous support?

Y R U always going on about lifestylers when your politics are shite and you think people shouldn't shop at supermarkets?

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Sep 28 2004 18:15

tesco is not above the co-op you fool!

I think the only one up from the co-op is Waitrose eek

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Sep 28 2004 18:34

The order of supermarkets goes (from most pov to poshest) - aldi > ASDA > Tescos > Sainsburys > Waitrose. Co-op is like a wild card, it crops up in both rich and poor areas.

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Sep 28 2004 18:40
redyred wrote:
The order of supermarkets goes (from most pov to poshest) - aldi > ASDA > Tescos > Sainsburys > Waitrose. Co-op is like a wild card, it crops up in both rich and poor areas.

LIDL's pretty lumpen too, that'd be under aldi wouldn't it?

Wayne
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Sep 28 2004 19:39

At Harvey Nics they're selling these tiny bottles of balsamic vinegar for forty quid. I want one for Christmas. The wine at harvey Nics is actually quite reasonable. Though a retro punk suit will set you back £1800, which is enough for eighteen of the new limited edition L'acoste tops with the silver crocodiles.

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Sep 28 2004 20:45

are Revol and Wayne related?

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Sep 28 2004 20:55
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are Revol and Wayne related?

No.

See how it works? Now you try at home...

Who hasn't supported you that you think should have?

Why shouldn't we shop at supermarkets?

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Sep 28 2004 20:58

WAYNE AND REVOL ARE HIPPY COUSINS WHO RUN AROUND LIKE HEADLESS CHICKENS!

Wayne
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Sep 28 2004 21:00

Revol's not my cousin, only people from Antrim and Fife shag their cousins.

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Sep 28 2004 21:05

Are you both the same unionist that went to the AYN Gathering?

forgot your real name, but your face is still familiar smile

Dunno how you reconcile your nationalist bigotry with your 'anarchism'...

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Sep 28 2004 21:12

And because they're Irish, you jump to that conclusion?

Dunno know how you reconcile your nationalist bigotry with your "anarchism"...

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Sep 28 2004 21:16
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And because they're Irish, you jump to that conclusion?

what conclusion?

the clue's in the unionist reference. Do you know these people/this person? Am I barking up the wrong tree?

Show us the right tree and I'll bite it in two tongue

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Sep 28 2004 21:30

lidl's better than aldi surely? we have a lidl here, it's awesome, only 5 minutes from my flat and 6 half litre bottles of surprisingly decent german beer for 2.59 euros. which is probably about the price of a shot of carling in london isn't it? also, where would somerfield's come in, or is this only a west country phenomenon? i'd place it somewhere between tescos and sainsbury's.

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Are you both the same unionist that went to the AYN Gathering?

if you mean unionist in terms of northern irish politics, then there wasn't one at the ayn gathering, just because someone doesn't worship the ira does not mean they support the udf or whatever it is. the only other sense you could mean would be someone in favour of organising in unions, which i would have thought would be the vast majority of anarchists, even if they differ on what form the unions should be. anyway, i know who you mean, and no, neither of them are as far as i know.

and you still haven't answered the question: who hasn't given support when they knew it was needed? (thinking of the social centre here not people arrested that mayday) as far as i can remember, i don't think anything has been posted asking for support in the general or organise forums which would be the places most people look.

not that i don't agree with the general sentiment of the original post, anarchists in the uk can be a bit shit when it comes to solidarity. compare support of people arrested here, with say in greece, where they had regular big motorcades to the prisons, building occupations, and maybe not quite so useful, although it depends on your tactical analysis, some insurrectionist types firebombing banks and an attempted assault on the american embassy with mollies. obviously they have more resources than us though, so that's natural, though i sometimes wonder if should the uk anarchist movement get more resources it wouldn't convert most of it into alcohol and other drugs...

oh yeah, and wayne, that squat is actually very good, as squats go, and was from the start, no rat shit or anything.

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Sep 28 2004 21:34

lidl and aldi are the same company in different parts of the country.

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