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Oct 6 2004 11:22
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how about if we did that to you?

if you wrote a hilarious story taking the piss out of my stupid ideas, i would think it was very funny and probably at least consider why you think the ideas daft and rethink them. if i still thought my ideas were fine, i would then write a humourous story taking the piss out of yours. it's only as humiliating as the ideas should be when considered in the light of common sense...

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Oct 6 2004 19:11
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how about if we did that to you?

if you wrote a hilarious story taking the piss out of my stupid ideas, i would think it was very funny and probably at least consider why you think the ideas daft and rethink them. if i still thought my ideas were fine, i would then write a humourous story taking the piss out of yours. it's only as humiliating as the ideas should be when considered in the light of common sense...

Your an anti-civ? Are you not? I thought you wanted minimal technology and even questioned the effectiveness of medical care. So all the shit that username was taking about his ideas on primitivism im sure you would agree with him on some of those? So how about if someone talked shit about you? You would be rather humiliated, if everyone else was saying how funny it was, its fucking idiotic.

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Oct 6 2004 20:55

i'm not anti-civilisation. i read green anarchy because it's entertaining, like private eye, lord of the rings or harry potter, it doesn't mean i believe in any of those things. i do think there are issues connected with technology such as how to work around the problems of most resources being finite, and many of the materials needed for very high technology are found only in certain places on earth and/or require highly dangerous jobs which it is quite possible nobody in an anarchist society would want to do, which need to be thought through a bit better than just saying primmos are idiots and leaving it at that. i have more faith in humans than primitivists so i expect they are problems that have solutions without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. and yes, i did think for a bit that it would be a good idea to scrap alot of technology that is essentially useless and provides a distraction from real human interraction. and then i realised that then i wouldn't be able to watch all my dvds, and decided that maybe we could keep them, as long as the resources weren't required for more important stuff like medical equipment.

i do not ever remember questioning the effectiveness of medical care, i do question the effectiveness of medical care under capitalism when there are companies pushing drugs as the cure for everything which have only been tested on animals and so often have loads of dodgy and dangerous side effects. and for instance the constant use of antibiotics has led to all these superbugs and the only solution western capitalism can find is to look for more drugs, while apparently in eastern europe and places like turkey where the need to cure people is still slightly higher than the influence of rich companies, they use special types of virus that only target other viruses, with such a high success rate that those with the money to do so now go from britain to those countries to be cured if they catch a superbug here. i also think that there probably are various useful medical benefits in some "primitive" forms of medical care, because they were developed over milenia so must have worked to some extent, but are rarely looked into nowadays because it would be harder for companies to have a monopoly over a plant say, than a complicated chemical formulation. this doesn't mean i think we should scrap modern medical care and go hippy, just that i think if we had a medical care system not so influenced by the pharmaceuticals industry, and researchers not so influenced to, it would be a lot better. but i would have thought most anarchist thought along the same lines... but if someone wrote a story depicting me as a hippy trying to cure aids with dandelions i would find it highly amusing.

also, i have a lot of respect for people living or who lived in "primitive" cultures, and think that they deserve our support when fighting the destruction of their communities. that doesn't mean i think we should all live like that. in fact, i suspect that most "primitive" people are a hell of a lot more intelligent than primitivists, and if modern civilisation didn't entail a bunch of missionary scumbags coming and converting them to some crap religion stopping them doing sensible things like building their houses on stilts away from the malaria carrying mosquitos (as the missionaries do in west papua, resulting in people catching malary, but that's ok cos their souls have been saved you see...), having the place they've grown up in bulldozed and ravaged so some rich fuckers halfway around the world can have nice furniture or drive suvs, and so on, then they might well choose to take advantage of safer childbirth etc.

so there is nothing whatsoever said by username that i agree with. in fact i doubt many anarchoprimitivists would agree with him either. all that nonsense about needing to cut down the birth rate as the main focus for anarchists is quite plainly ludicrous. as was everything else he typed. he's an insult to individualist anarchists, at least the bonnot gang were cool and had the guts to go out in a glorious hail of bullets rather than sit around eating road kill. they might have created some road kill though, what with inventing the getaway car and everything....

if people talked shit about me that was blatantly untrue or an obvious exageration/parody of me, then yes, i would find it very funny if it was done well, and mildly silly if it was done badly. on the other hand if someone accused me of being a unionist (in the northern irish sense), a nazi, a pimp, or something else obviously in contradiction with anarchism in a way that was not obviously a joke without backing it up or backing it up with blatant lies, then i might get a bit pissed off.

i mean, come on, people make fun of my aleged obsession with riot porn and my obvious weedy stature all the time, but i don't mind. mind you, with only about ten of my videos unsold, i wouldn't would i...

the ability to laugh at ourselves is essential to keeping sane, not having shit ideas, and not being seen as self-important idiots by people new to anarchism.