organising national events with a londoncentric bias

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lucy82
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Mar 7 2005 18:43

bloody hell, is this debate still going on??

i should have done it as a poll....

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the "2nd International Crisis theory coach" to be piloted by Comrade Cantdo.

grin

Caiman del Barrio
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Mar 9 2005 01:47

Londoners are scared of going beyond the cornershop, let alone past Zone 3, hence why community organising's kicked off so well there (heh)..

Caiman del Barrio
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Mar 9 2005 01:48
lucy82 wrote:
i should have done it as a poll....
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the "2nd International Crisis theory coach" to be piloted by Comrade Cantdo.

grin

Sorry but the idea of him organising anything is completely laughable.

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Mar 14 2005 19:53

I can't believe that it would be easier to get from Newcastle to London than from Newcastle to Manchester... A1 down to Leeds and then M62, surely? Whereas you'd still have to go to Leeds to get to London, and Leeds to Manchester by car is about an hour, Leeds to London is at least 3 probably 4 hours...

Trains across the Pennines are a bit shit but it's still only an hour from Leeds to Manchester if i remember rightly from the once i did it...

Yes the transport system is centred around London, especially if you're in the South/South East, where it is difficult to get from one place to another without going into London, but i wouldn't say it was really London-centric once you're north of say Milton Keynes or west of say Oxford... Brum and Manchester are pretty easy to get to from anywhere, *including* London...

The issue is more price of travel than actual distance or road/rail maps IMO... for instance, it's pretty easy to skip a train fare from most stations in the Midlands to each other, but you can't into London because of all the barriers, and whereas getting made to pay the £4 between Leamington Spa and Birmingham (for example) once in a while is an acceptable risk, paying £30 to get to London is out of the means of many people... of course there are vans/coaches, but if you have a van or coach it's no easier to get to London than to anywhere else...

ok my rambling might have obscured my point there (i used to navigate for my dad on long car journeys when i was a kid, hence i have most of the British road network in my memory, despite being unable to learn to drive roll eyes )

anyway, IMO there should be a Manchester anarchist bookfair, there should be a Birmingham anarchist bookfair, a Newcastle bookfair etc... if Norwich can have one, we ought to be able to!

in fact, maybe we ought to be getting off our arses and organising them, so that all the big events *aren't* in London...

Tom A
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Mar 14 2005 20:24

National Rail's online timetable enquiry service is down, so you'll just have to make do with length of National Express journeys:

Newcastle-London (Victoria): between 6hrs 40mins to 7hrs 55mins.

Newcastle-Birmingham: 5hrs 30mins.

Newcastle-Manchester: between 4 1/2hours to 6hrs.

Oh, and for the record, I can't give an exact time, but getting from Newcastle to Manchester by train takes roughly 3 to 3 1/2 hours. I know cause I have done that journey.

lucy82
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Mar 14 2005 20:51

i'm going to london on saturday though for the demo. not sure exactly why. part of me wants to chill on the coach, have a kip, listen to music and take part in something i didn't have to do anything for (laziness grabs me sometimes), go to the pub with my friends instead of listening to tony benn or whoever is being trotted out next grin for once i'm thinking 6/7 hours travelling (there and back) is an opportunity to chill.

still think manc or brum would be a life-enhancing experience for a national demo though and would draw in people who wouldn't have come otherswise.