'43 group' by morris beckman

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Dec 2 2006 21:46
'43 group' by morris beckman

has anybody read this? it's awesome..

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Dec 2 2006 22:09

I am part way though...

In case you're interested, a new AF pamphlet - Resistance to Nazism - tells the stories of libertarian groups that were opposing Fascism in Europe into and also well before the 1930s, including Edelweiss Pirates, FAUD underground, Zazous, 43 group, Arditi del Popolo and lists dozens of other Italian groups.

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Dec 2 2006 22:19

Yep, read it. It's very good.

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Dec 3 2006 12:58

Yes, read it about 15 years ago. Excellent read. I met Beckman around the same time. He tells some excellent stories.
There is also a video documentary about the Group which interviews ex-members. It was shown at a film festival in Newcastle a few years ago. It's great watching obviously respectable pensioners talking about inflicting serious violence on the fash.

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Dec 3 2006 14:20

It is the shit, true.

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Dec 3 2006 14:30
dublin dave wrote:
It was shown at a film festival in Newcastle a few years ago.

Wa that at Projectile...? Cos if n ot, then they should def show it.

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Dec 3 2006 15:10
Tacks wrote:
dublin dave wrote:
It was shown at a film festival in Newcastle a few years ago.

Wa that at Projectile...? Cos if n ot, then they should def show it.

I don't know if it was at Projectile. I don't even know what Projectile is/was. I saw it advertised for an event in Newcastle and I e-mailed the organisers asking about how to get a copy. They gave me a number for someone in London (involved in something called the London History Group). I'm not sure that this is their correct name and they sent me a copy that was then shown at an event caled A-Spire in Leeds.
Hmmm, I might try and track down that video...

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Dec 11 2006 06:15

Any way I could get a .pdf of the "Resistance to Nazism" pamphlet? PM me if it's possible.

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Dec 11 2006 13:53

The forward to that book is written by Vidal Sassoon, who as a yound man in London was a member of the group.

Potential resource there: he should be hit up for cash by anarchos.

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Dec 11 2006 15:18
pingtiao wrote:
The forward to that book is written by Vidal Sassoon, who as a yound man in London was a member of the group.

Potential resource there: he should be hit up for cash by anarchos.

I would bet he's a zionist though...

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Dec 11 2006 19:37

so's beckman.

I'm not sure militant antifascism is too purist to take their blessings or their money. I mean, i heard Vidal Sassoon was also a really rich capitalist too! eek grin

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Dec 11 2006 19:42
dublin dave wrote:
Tacks wrote:
dublin dave wrote:
It was shown at a film festival in Newcastle a few years ago.

Wa that at Projectile...? Cos if n ot, then they should def show it.

I don't know if it was at Projectile. I don't even know what Projectile is/was. I saw it advertised for an event in Newcastle and I e-mailed the organisers asking about how to get a copy. They gave me a number for someone in London (involved in something called the London History Group). I'm not sure that this is their correct name and they sent me a copy that was then shown at an event caled A-Spire in Leeds.
Hmmm, I might try and track down that video...

I've been trying to track down a copy of this for fucking ages...

London History Group, you say

Googled it and that names is unclear - there's the Radical London History Group

If you get any futher details then can you pm me please - like to possibly show this for a Hackney Independent film show in the new year

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Dec 11 2006 19:44
pingtiao wrote:
The forward to that book is written by Vidal Sassoon, who as a yound man in London was a member of the group.

Potential resource there: he should be hit up for cash by anarchos.

I think Searchlight might have beaten you to it! smile

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Dec 11 2006 20:36
Divisive Cottonwood wrote:
dublin dave wrote:
Tacks wrote:
dublin dave wrote:
It was shown at a film festival in Newcastle a few years ago.

Wa that at Projectile...? Cos if n ot, then they should def show it.

I don't know if it was at Projectile. I don't even know what Projectile is/was. I saw it advertised for an event in Newcastle and I e-mailed the organisers asking about how to get a copy. They gave me a number for someone in London (involved in something called the London History Group). I'm not sure that this is their correct name and they sent me a copy that was then shown at an event caled A-Spire in Leeds.
Hmmm, I might try and track down that video...

I've been trying to track down a copy of this for fucking ages...

London History Group, you say

Googled it and that names is unclear - there's the Radical London History Group

If you get any futher details then can you pm me please - like to possibly show this for a Hackney Independent film show in the new year

there was an article on RA from the original premier - which i think mught have been an ANL do.

...I was gonna suggest looking for that to get the title, but thinking about it thats ridiculously time consuming.

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Dec 11 2006 20:45

It was shown at the anarchist bookfair about five years ago

It was a French TV production that was shown across Europe

The producer died about a year ago - it came to me attention again because I read his obit in the Guardian

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Dec 11 2006 21:34

Radical London History Group.

There's one in north London, ask anyone from HSG.

The South London one try Jason cortez or the button from off here.

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Dec 11 2006 22:49

Quite a few of the 43 group ended up becoming part of Lehi (aka Stern Gang) in Palestine following the end of their antifa activities. 'Tis a pity.

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Dec 12 2006 13:56
Tacks wrote:
Divisive Cottonwood wrote:
dublin dave wrote:
Tacks wrote:
dublin dave wrote:
It was shown at a film festival in Newcastle a few years ago.

Wa that at Projectile...? Cos if n ot, then they should def show it.

I don't know if it was at Projectile. I don't even know what Projectile is/was. I saw it advertised for an event in Newcastle and I e-mailed the organisers asking about how to get a copy. They gave me a number for someone in London (involved in something called the London History Group). I'm not sure that this is their correct name and they sent me a copy that was then shown at an event caled A-Spire in Leeds.
Hmmm, I might try and track down that video...

I've been trying to track down a copy of this for fucking ages...

London History Group, you say

Googled it and that names is unclear - there's the Radical London History Group

If you get any futher details then can you pm me please - like to possibly show this for a Hackney Independent film show in the new year

there was an article on RA from the original premier - which i think mught have been an ANL do.

...I was gonna suggest looking for that to get the title, but thinking about it thats ridiculously time consuming.

They showed it at the 2004 Anarchist Bookfair in London. It was weird but very good. These hard OAP's are something else - age hides their strength but not their enthusiasm. They liked a bit of action.

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Dec 20 2006 17:35

I liked street fighting parts of this book but I do not think there is anything to get so much excited about since author himself was bragging a lot how they co-operated with "symphatetic" cops etc. Not metnioning fact that lots of them were fantaical Zionists which is to say not best allies of us. Still worthy to read..

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Dec 26 2006 16:14

I'm still trying to track down a copy of the 43 Group documentary at possibly show at the forthcoming HI film day

Any ideas? It's been shown at the anarchist bootfair at least twice...

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Jan 9 2007 01:50
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Quite a few of the 43 group ended up becoming part of Lehi (aka Stern Gang) in Palestine following the end of their antifa activities. 'Tis a pity.

really?!

they left their homes in london to go and live in Palestine as refugees?

nah....

really?

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Jan 9 2007 08:48

Yeah, really. Like Eastern Barbarian said, lots of 'em were Zionists.

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Jan 9 2007 12:57

yes lots of them were zionists, morris beckman himself is a zionist.

Its not very surprising all considered.

That doesn't mean they left london, went to palestine (or by that time what would have been the nascent israeli state) and joined the stern gang.

The documentary being discussed here didn't mention that at all, all of the interviewees were still in the UK.

I'd be interested in a source. Cos there's the not too complex zionism that a lot of people held, including loads of leftists and liberals - a state for the jewish people - and then theres going to palestine and joining a zionist terrorist group.

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Jan 10 2007 01:41

Will try to find the reference and get back to you folks.

Incidentally, Lehi was split into a left and right faction - lots of otherwise left wing (including Socialist-Zionist) but ultra-nationalist Jews were involved.