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I propose the creation of a new organization that would rid the world of all its problems - *Humanity United*

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A.Mere.Human.Be...
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Nov 9 2014 00:24
I propose the creation of a new organization that would rid the world of all its problems - *Humanity United*

The total disregard for human life is despicable. Those who chose to ignore the terrible way so many people are treated do not value their own life nor the life of their so-called loves because this type of mindset devalues human existence.

my blog: http://iamasinglelinktoapowerfulchain.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/i-would-l...

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Nov 9 2014 01:14

Umm... you might want to check out the intro guides before posting here.

http://libcom.org/library/libcom-introductory-guide

A.Mere.Human.Be...
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Nov 9 2014 01:57

this is the forum for announcements.. my post announces my proposal for the creation of a new organization.

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Nov 9 2014 02:38

The problem's not that it's in announcements but rather that your proposed organisation has little or nothng in common with the ideas and politics of those who contribute to this website. If you check sabot's link, all should become clear.

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Nov 9 2014 08:57

There is no one single humanity
There is a humanity of classes
Slaves and Masters
Organisational Platform of the Libertarian Communists

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Nov 9 2014 09:47

Without being too patronizing, I get the impression you might be a bit new to politics, mere human?

That's fair enough and everyone grows and develops politically all the time. But the main issue people are going to have with an organization that has, as its goal, uniting "humanity" is that - as alluded to by Battlescarred above - the issue isn't uniting humanity, but uniting the working class against their exploiters and oppressors.

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Nov 10 2014 23:19

Chilli's right, but in the end it will benefit all humanity. So anyone who cares about the wellbeing of humanity needs to care about class struggle, and organize along those lines. It's sad that it has to be this way, but it's the only way to dismantle the systems that are causing the suffering you so rightly care about. For the last few thousand years, some of humanity (the ruling class) has been invested in keeping things organized for their own power and enrichment, at the expense of the rest of us. So uniting with them in this struggle would sabotage things because the struggle is to overthrow the systems they wish to defend.

Maybe you can rebrand your blog as "Uniting for humanity"?

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Nov 11 2014 01:47

Here's the broader body the poster seems influenced by or hooked up to: http://www.humanityunited.org/

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Nov 11 2014 03:28
syndicalist wrote:
Here's the broader body the poster seems influenced by or hooked up to: http://www.humanityunited.org/

Obviously this is a million miles away from class struggle. Just a cursory glance at this leaves me with a feeling of deep discomfort.

Boomerang - You are probably the nicest person on Libcom.

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Nov 11 2014 07:20

Aw, you're nice too! I can be a prick though. tongue

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Nov 13 2014 21:14

"uniting the working class against their exploiters and oppressors'

Chilli Sauce you are perpetuating the mentality that people should be divided. the name of the organization i propose is *Humanity United* which i think is the best name possible.

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Nov 13 2014 21:21

Should slaves unite humanity by uniting with their masters, or by abolishing slavery? Are slave revolts divisive?

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Nov 13 2014 21:27
A.Mere.Human.Being-TheUniverse wrote:
"uniting the working class against their exploiters and oppressors'

Chilli Sauce you are perpetuating the mentality that people should be divided. the name of the organization i propose is *Humanity United* which i think is the best name possible.

Oh dear...

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Nov 13 2014 21:44
A.Mere.Human.Being-TheUniverse wrote:
"uniting the working class against their exploiters and oppressors'

Chilli Sauce you are perpetuating the mentality that people should be divided. the name of the organization i propose is *Humanity United* which i think is the best name possible.

"The ambiguous concept of 'humanity' sometimes causes spontaneous revolutions to falter. All too often the desire to make man the heart of a revolutionary programme has been invaded by a paralysing humanism. How many times have revolutionaries spared the lives of their own future firing-squad, how many times have they accepted a truce which meant no more to their enemies than the opportunity of gathering reinforcements? The ideology of humanity is a fine weapon for counter-revolution, one which can justify the most sickening atrocities (the Belgian paras in Stanleyville). There can be no negotiation with the enemies of freedom, there's no quarter which can be extended to man's oppressors. The annihilation of counter-revolutionaries is the only 'humanitarian' act which can prevent the ultimate inhumanity of an integrally bureaucratised humanism."

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Nov 13 2014 22:14
A.Mere.Human.Being-TheUniverse wrote:
"uniting the working class against their exploiters and oppressors'

Chilli Sauce you are perpetuating the mentality that people should be divided. the name of the organization i propose is *Humanity United* which i think is the best name possible.

John Kay makes a good point. The division is not something we propose, but one that actually exists, and at long as it exists, humanity will never be united in any sense you envision. The only way towards that is to see that this actually existing division, classes, has to be done away with. Until then, "human unity" only serves to mask the relationships of oppressors and oppressed, as Gepetto also points out in his quote. Or, in other words, the concept of an abstract united humanity in the here and now is nothing more than closing your eyes to the barriers that keep us from attaining such a unity.

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Nov 14 2014 16:28
A.Mere.Human.Being-TheUniverse wrote:
"uniting the working class against their exploiters and oppressors'

Chilli Sauce you are perpetuating the mentality that people should be divided... .

Railyon's got it covered, but "mentality"?

That shit is the reality of the world we live in. By not acknowledging it, you're the one perpetuating a false mentality.

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Nov 15 2014 21:27

that Omidyar seems like another Soros, but more right-wingy

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/pierre-omidyar-first-look-m...
http://pando.com/2014/11/09/pierre-omidyars-man-in-india-is-named-to-mod...

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Nov 18 2014 01:02

yes Chilli Sauce world we live in is a "us vs them" scanario. i am just saying u seem steadfast with adhering to a division that should not exist. the organization i propose (*Humanity United*) aims to end this division. this would occur much easier if no group of people were designated "oppressors" (the enemy). i think people would more readily change their ways if they were politely encouraged to do so.

no person is born to be an oppressor or with hate. these traits are learned

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Nov 18 2014 04:58

Yes, these traits are learned. But do you intend to build a movement that unites humans who have not yet unlearned these things?

Are there ANY limits to who you want to unite? Will you be wanting to include, for example, neo-nazis? Serial rapists?

My guess is you do intend to exclude certain people. (If not, then .... !!) The question then is, why do you want to exclude those people?

After answering that question, I think we can move on to debating whether you should add the ruling class to that list.

Now, if individual members of the ruling class so happen to 'see the light' and relinquish their class position (removing themselves from positions where they exploit others or have command over others), then they will be welcome, but at that point they're no longer ruling class.

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Nov 18 2014 07:22
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no person is born to be an oppressor or with hate. these traits are learned

Exploitation isn't learned. It's a material relationship that exists between employers and employees regardless of the intentions or consciousness of either party.

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Nov 18 2014 22:47

True point, Chilli! Exploitation is compulsory in capitalism. Many forms of oppression and general shittiness are learned behaviors, though, and I'm hoping to use that to get A.Mere.Human to admit that there are already some types of folks that s/he thinks should be excluded when uniting to create social change. If s/he does agree with that, it will open the way for making the case that the ruling class should also be excluded.

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Nov 20 2014 21:49

To be honest boomerang, given just how thoroughly pompous and thoroughly stupid this thread is, I don't think you stand any chance of getting the OP to admit anything. I can only guess that it is because things have been so quiet of late that it has thus far gone to twenty posts plus, when in truth it should have been dealt one short, sharp and sassy rebuke, like so:

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Nov 20 2014 23:17

I used to have similar views to the OP, so I understand their intentions and where they're coming from. I have a soft spot for people with good intentions but wrong directions. But I do love that picture!

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Nov 21 2014 03:38

Without being too cynical this was just a plug for your blog wasn't it? In any case, go and read the Communist Manifesto then come back if you want to discuss.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch01.htm