FAO technocrats and technocracy sympathisers

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~J.

What do you mean by "technocrat" and "technocracy"?

So technocracy is just planned capitalism where energy is used as currency? Why the fuck would that be an improvement on the present situation? And how the hell would providing everyone equal credit eliminate class society, whatever currency that credit was in?

Go peddle your half-baked trotskyite cyber-punk utopianism elsewhere.

~J.

HAJIME!!!

Cyberpunk and utopianism are diametric opposites.

Cyberpunk is, usually, quite dystopic. Maybe transhumanism is an accusation closer to the truth.

Cyberpunk is always dytopian; it's high tech, low life.

I believe in tranhumanism but I've no desire for a technocracy, nor would it be necessary.

This would be techno-progressivism, a lot of bureaucracy and a load of liberal 'social change' nonsense.

Hi you all.
It should be noted that the person from the ACT Forum is doing some original research that is in no way connected to ideas about Technocracy technate design or the general ideas connected.

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Technocracy is a specific forum of abundancy planning that advocates replacing the price system of capitalism with energy accounting and the exchange of energy vouchers for labour. ----------------------------

Not so much... at all. There is no connection to the labor theory of value... which Adam Smith loved so much and the ideas about Technocracy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_and_thermodynamics

Mostly people like the Ulster Socialist are profoundly ignorant of any kind of history as to what a Technocracy, as formulated by the Technocracy movement is http://www.technocracy.org/Archives/History%20&%20Purpose-r.htm and for some reason want to associate it with dead letter movements connected with labor values and Communism and Socialism.... but that is the internet for you... full of 3rd and 4th. rate.... and that is being kind,... 'thinkers'.

Also his statement that '''''Since everyone receives the same amount of 'energy credit' it effectively eliminates class society.''''''''''''''''''''''

Again no connection to reality. A Price System is the system used in socialism and what passed for communism, and as said 'labor' is an antique idea now. Energy accounting forms the basis of this idea.
Noted also.... there are no 'energy credit's in the system developed by scientists to replace the Price System. ... so that is misconstruing also the concept. Energy accounting is not a credit or debit system.

Also saying that ''''''''''The word 'technocracy' effectively means the ruled of the skilled'''''''''''''''''' is bullshit...
The actual concept is connected with a form of 'administration by science' , so they have that wrong also. It is not another people oligarchy concept of rulers and ruled.
Anyway, you also may notice that outside the cult of people on NET... Network of European Technocrats and Act.... there is no support for the mixed up and disconnected thoughts expressed by those people, that have basically mostly nothing to do with actual concepts connected to technocracy design as a form of government as developed by the Technical Alliance.

Here is a place to learn some actual information about this concept if any here may be interested http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_(bureaucratic) - and the actual ideas are interesting, but not connected to the ACT forum in any way.

You said it, bub!

Technocracy, with or sans a prefix, is a load of shite. End of story.

Pardon. That is not what I said. Technocracy design as an idea is brilliant.
It just is not connected to what the poster was describing in any way .. shape .. or form.

More information as to the actual movement that was hugely popular in the 30's United States http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement

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Oh, that showed me. Clearly my argument is reduced to shambles by this devastating attack. Touche, my friend.

~J.

It was me that said that.

Gregg, that's not what you said? There was two verbatim quotes from yourself, either you've popped some pills post the message and can't remember or you're not keeping up.

Technocracy is a load of shite, whether some mentalist from Ulster attaches himself to it or not.

Holy shit, this stuff is even more preposterous than the garbage the first guy was suggesting.

~J.

Whoops, sorry.

~J.

which does beg the question of why you did register here - or rather why you thought this site would be a good place to peddle "technocracy"?

Obviously this is a troll site of people that enjoy clacking their keys and have very little interest in following information that their noses do not lead them to, which they think they already know.

Any one with a brain can absorb new information... but this site apparently is troll city.
If there is any real interest in the subject though here is more info. http://www.eoearth.org/article/Biophysical_economics

your logic is compelling.

Sorry... but those people are connected to NET... and that is a cult site of mostly ignorant people http://www.archive.org/details/NetworkOfEuropeanTechnocratsN.e.t.Technocracynet.eu ... it is a disinformation site which is led by a cult leader named Isenhand... or IronHand... who is a crackpot professor from Sweden who is backed by a bunch of nutty Russian revolutionaries.

One anecdote I can share is that Isenhand wears both a belt and suspenders... and this should indicate something.

All of Network of European Technocrats information came from a Canadian disinformation site originally http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dfx7rfr2_47gwfdk6&hl=en ... so in a way I feel sorry for you and the other Act members that are for most part believers in the occult powers of Kolzene... who is a witch, who uses N.L.P. on people,... and promotes a crackpot version of Technocracy based on his personality cult... that is where the NET people and ACT people got their version though... and they appear as being just dumb enough to associate the thing with Communism and Socialism.... and it is not connected to either.
So...
Read this http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=dfx7rfr2_10fqbv5t&hl=en (History and Purpose of Technocracy),,, dumb one, and educate yourself a little.
As to the forum... obviously, boring. Not creative... at least not the posters so far... so be it though
Have a nice day.

Is all of this for real?

first of all, what do you mean by skilled? skilled in what? science and technology? manual labour?
the bourgeoisie are not a parasitical class because each capitalist is individually "unskilled" (by which I understand incapable of doing anything productive), but precisely because of their skill of maintaining capital and the wider social reality that it entails.

but even if that were literally true, it is only true in this society; how does it translate to a classless society? how can you talk of "rule of anyone" if you advocate egalitarianism? or is this some sort of rephrasing of the "dictatorship of the proletariat"?