Discussion: What’s wrong with using parliament - West London - 16.11.2010

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Nov 5 2010 09:26
Discussion: What’s wrong with using parliament - West London - 16.11.2010

The Wine and Cheese Appreciation Society of Greater London is going to debate the SPGB on their pamphlet "What's wrong with using Parliament?" at their West London Branch meeting on the 16. November 2010. All welcome to participate.

8pm, 16. November 2010
Chiswick Town Hall, Heathfield Terrace Turnham Green, London, United Kingdom, W4 4JN

Here's our announcement (http://www.junge-linke.org/en/discussion-whats-wrong-with-using-parliament):

The Socialist Party of Great Britain notes (http://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/20C/Parliament_update.html): “What distinguishes us, amongst those who want a classless, stateless, wageless, moneyless society based on the common ownership and democratic control of the means of life, is our view that parliament can, and should, be used in the course of establishing such a socialist society.”

We claim that the argument put forward in the SPGB pamphlet “What’s wrong with using parliament?” is based on false premises. Among these is the premise that “democracy and freedom” are not realised in this society and standing in elections is a way to call this bluff. On the contrary, we claim that freedom and democracy are not weapons of criticism but means to justify subjection and poverty.

The SPGB argument for their strategy rests on the assertion that whoever controls parliament controls state power, that if parliament was seized the legitimacy of the socialist parliamentary majority (backed by a majority desire for socialism) would allow it to abolish the state and private property. We claim that this assertion is based on a misunderstanding of how the democratic state is constituted: The first and foremost principle of the democratic state is its monopoly on violence unchallenged by anybody, not even its own parliament.

Furthermore, the SPGB aims to make use of parliament’s legitimacy and the “socially-sanctioned physical force” by the state in order to abolish exploitation. We want to show that this legitimacy of the state’s power is something worth criticising instead of seizing.

We will discuss our critique of the SPGB position at their West London Branch meeting which is open to everyone: all welcome to participate in the debate.

See also the announcement by the SPGB: http://www.meetup.com/The-Socialist-Party-of-Great-Britain/calendar/15167417/

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Joined: 5-06-09
Nov 8 2010 10:28

This discussion between the Wine and Cheese Appreciation Society of Greater London and SPGB is open to all including teetotallers and those with dairy allergies.

Joined: 9-06-09
Nov 8 2010 12:38

Is it open to anarcho-vegans and militant teetotallers ?

Joined: 28-03-10
Nov 15 2010 18:16

I thought the SPGB would be more beer and sandwiches than wine and cheese.